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gman314 (1016 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
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Winning
Oli won.
On Imperial Civilization's off-topic thread (link inside), there was a brief stint of Second to Last Person to Post Wins. Now that the thread is closed, Oli won.
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gopher27 (1208 D)
Sat 13 May UTC
Quote Association Thread
Hello! I saw a thread like this scrawled on the wall of a Guatemalan insane asylum deep in the jungle primeval. We start with a quote, and you then post the one quote that pops into your mind after you read that quote. The first word is FIRST.

“The key to Springfield has always been Elm Street. The Greeks knew it. The Carthaginians knew it. Now you know it.”
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Variant Tournaments
I've really enjoyed playing variant-specific tournaments such as the Known World 15x15 currently underway.
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butterhead (961 D)
21 May 12 UTC
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Advertise your NON-live games here!
In an effort to compromise the pro-ads versus anti-ads for games: Post here for your non-live games to cut down on the number of ads but still advertise games. Post game link, WTA or PPSC, and the bet. Note: this doesn't count for special rules games.
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Word Association Thread
Hello! I saw a thread like this on WebDip. We start with a word, and you then post the one word that pops into your mind after you read that word. The first word is FIRST.
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Devonian (1843 D)
29 Jun 15 UTC
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1v1 Tournament Rules, Rankings, and Challenges
Official Rules for 1v1 Ladder Tournament
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kaner406 (1317 D (B) (B))
24 Sep 16 UTC
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I've been Boursed!!! 2016
Hi all, when Amby and I were recording our recent podcast (diplomacygames.com) the topic of Bourse came up, and I got really excited and thought that I would try to get another game of this variant running...
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CCR (1254 D)
Thu 18 May UTC
1200 (Crusades)
There are two versions, named by Tommy Larsson as "1.2" and "1.4":
http://aefgirt.atspace.com/1200_12c.gif
http://aefgirt.atspace.com/1200_14c.gif
In both, the lagoon of Venice is a supply center over a Water province.
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drano019 (2014 D)
Mon 22 May UTC
Question Regarding CDs
I've noticed that when I click the profiles of people who CD in games, it sometimes still shows 0 CDs on their record. Any reason for it not showing up? Seems to semi-absolve people of CDs?
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HQDominator (904 D)
Wed 17 May UTC
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The HQDominator Controversy Response
Check the first reply for the response
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New thread ideas
Help me come up with a new thread guys. post your suggestions for possible threads below:
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JECE (1192 D)
28 Dec 15 UTC
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1600 and 1900
http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/1/1600.htm
http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/1/1900.htm

These Diplomacy variants look beautiful and I have wanted to play them for years. Is anybody here working on bringing them to vDip?
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YouCan'tHandleTheTruth (1322 D)
Tue 16 May UTC
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This forum is turning into WebDiplomacy 2.0. Ugh!
WTF? These HQD bots are getting on my fucking nerves.
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Hippopankake (1000 D)
Wed 17 May UTC
Need players
I need 1 player for a youngs town ww2 game
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hellenic_riot (1000 D)
02 May 17 UTC
Banned From Web Diplomacy?
Hello new friends! I was banned from Web Diplomacy.

hellenic_riot (1000 D)
02 May 17 UTC
Here is my account there - http://webdiplomacy.net/profile.php?userID=84594
I was accused of cheating.

As you can see, I have only played three games. Actually, one of those games never got off the ground so really I've only played two games. Clearly I haven't been around long enough to cheat, or at least not to cheat meaningfully.

Please be careful at that site, they ban people for no reason!
kaner406 (1317 D (B) (B))
02 May 17 UTC
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????
hellenic_riot (1000 D)
02 May 17 UTC
@kaner406

It doesn't make any sense to me either.

Do people play live games on this site? This site seems like it has more features, and more options as well.
kaner406 (1317 D (B) (B))
02 May 17 UTC
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Hi 'hellenic_riot'... (hmmm sounds familiar somehow...),

I think you'll find that many players here are members of both sites. Although we do have our fair share of refugees from webDip <cough cough>. but we also have many players who only play here at vDip and don't go over to webDip.
Mercy (1830 D)
02 May 17 UTC
Interesting name you have, hellenic_riot. What was your reason for using it?
Mapu (2373 D (B))
02 May 17 UTC
Weren't you a mod over there?
This hellenic_riot is clearly not the same account as the other Hellenic riot we knew. This account was very new over there (Joined: 23 Feb 2017). So either it is/was a prank or an amazing coincidence.
Unstupid (816 D)
02 May 17 UTC
HellenicRiot != hellenic_riot
hellenic_riot (1000 D)
02 May 17 UTC
@Mercy

Thank you. I happen to be terrible at thinking of new screen names for online accounts. I popped over to the forums to borrow somebodies name as I was making my account - keep in mind that on other video games, account names are a much smaller aspect of the gaming experience. Actually, I'll go so far as to say that with other video games, *forums* are a much smaller part of the gaming experience.

Nonetheless, Hellenic Riot was the coolest name I was able to find in about twenty seconds, not imagining that it could possibly cause any sort of problem to borrow someone's name. As noted, on any other gaming site it wouldn't be an issue. Meanwhile, I later find out that apparently one of the moderators is named hellenic riot.

...it's funny that everyone else's theories about my screen name are so wildly incorrect.
@HR - The reason is, this isn't a video game. This is a board game from the 60s transitioned to the web and it is a game in which reputations are built on a name. The community is small relatively speaking and so our name is our word and our word is our bond.
Mikey99 (2174 D)
02 May 17 UTC
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I have to say that the idea of joining an online community, whatever that community might be about, by taking one of their member's names for one's own is a pretty poor way to commence. Seriously, how hard is it to think of a screen name? My own is plainly based on my RL life name with an added numerical reference to a secret service agent in a 60's spy spoof show (free chocolate brownie to whomever gets it first.) But to take one of the likely more memorable names just doesn't seem to me to be the smartest move...

Then to announce yourself here with the same name, and with an open complaint about being unfairly kicked out of WD based on accusations of cheating? Something isn't quite right in all this...
hellenic_riot (1000 D)
02 May 17 UTC
@YouCan'tHandleTheTruth,

Thank you for the advice.

Boy, is this different from the game that I grew up playing. In the game that I'm accustomed to playing, gameplay actually centers around deception.
Agent 99 from Get Smart! Where's my brownie!!!!!!!!! :-D
jason4747 (982 D)
02 May 17 UTC
It's in the catbox, enjoy!
Gameplay, yes. But reliability (getting orders in and not missing them) and generally being a good netizen of the site builds a reputation here. What happens in game within the rules of the game, stays in game. But dick moves like refusing to finalize when you are forced to disband your last unit haunts you forever on the site. It's deception versus simple etiquette.
gopher27 (1208 D)
02 May 17 UTC
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So that is why everyone hates me....
Captainmeme (1547 D Mod (B))
02 May 17 UTC
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@HR - Taking the name of that specific mod was a really terrible choice, because there were quite a few people who were very angry with him for some decisions made around the time your account was created. I honestly don't blame them for assuming you were a multi, especially since you appear to be using a proxy to access this site.
Samj (1431 D)
03 May 17 UTC
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Things that make you go, Hmmmmmmm...
DawnRinger (746 D)
03 May 17 UTC
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@Mikey99: Unfortunately, I'm not clever enough to come with a reference that doesn't give the show away - missed it by *that* much you could say. Although 99 was the competent one (and kudos for a show at that time making it the woman!), Max was my favourite.
Mikey99 (2174 D)
03 May 17 UTC
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I still feel that stealing another name with the excuse "I can't think of names for myself" then getting booted after 2 games amidst accusations of cheating is sufficient smoke to cause one to look for the fire.
kaner406 (1317 D (B) (B))
03 May 17 UTC
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I think I would be pretty pissed off at someone claiming the name kaner_406 etc... Not a really good way to start out in a community that values individuality... Just saying
GOD (1671 D Mod (B))
03 May 17 UTC
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Lol, why would anyone take someone else's name? Don't you want to build up your own reputation instead of being constantly confused with someone else?
drano019 (2014 D)
03 May 17 UTC
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The most interesting part is that after taking the HR name on webdip, he comes here and does the same thing? I'd have thought for sure after the banning, one would have thought up a unique name for vdip?
kaner406 (1317 D (B) (B))
03 May 17 UTC
Hell. A lot of people choose a different username at vDip even while​ they are active at webDip :)
Dejan0707 (1746 D)
03 May 17 UTC
Maybe he wishes to get second ban. Than he goes to the playdiplomacy to steal a name there.
Yoyoyozo (1032 D)
03 May 17 UTC
I'm a mod on webdip and I'll just say, thanks "hr" for doing what you did. Sometimes modding can be stressful so we need a good laugh every once in a while.
Hellenic Riot (1269 D (B))
03 May 17 UTC
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Ah how I do love being stalked across multiple websites.
Yoyoyozo (1032 D)
03 May 17 UTC
Sounds like the premise to 50 shades of grey 4 ;)
Hey! The one and only *real* Hellenic Riot!
Hellenic Riot (1269 D (B))
03 May 17 UTC
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'cos I'm that HR yes I'm the real Riot all you other damn HR's are just imitating so won't the real damn HR please stand up. Please stand up. Please stand up.
GOD (1671 D Mod (B))
03 May 17 UTC
How do we know you are the real one? What if the webdip HR doesn't even know that there is a Hellenic Riat account here? He didn't create any variants for webdip as far as I know...
hellenic_riot (1000 D)
04 May 17 UTC
@drano,

I just think it's funny the difference between the way that your brain works, and my brain works. If a black guy were driving through my neighborhood and got harassed by the police for no reason at all except for being black, my sympathy would be with him and my expectation would be that the police change their behavior.

To extend your line of reasoning, if a black guy were driving through your neighborhood and similarly harassed, your expectation would be that the cop should carry on, and that the motorist stop being black. I understand that's not precisely what you're saying, and I'm not trying to tacitly suggest that you're a racist. What I am suggesting, is that you seem to be rather a fan of victim blaming.

I think this entire situation says more about the alarmists at Web Diplomacy than it does about me, for example. If people are so easily offended, I'm better off without them.
Mercy (1830 D)
04 May 17 UTC
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@ hellenic_riot Just out of curiosity - Did the mods of webdiplomacy e-mail you to explain the reason behind your ban (at the e-mailadres you used for signing up on the site)?
@fakeHR - No, this is more of "If a black guy stole the cop's identity and the cop put him in jail, would you be on the black guy's side or the cop's?" Seriously, you stole a mod's identity. How fucking stupid are you?
Dr. Recommended (1458 D Mod (B))
04 May 17 UTC
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Go away.
drano019 (2014 D)
04 May 17 UTC
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Well that's interesting. All that analysis from one short response? Considering we don't know why you were banned, and have only your word in it, you'll surely allow me to remain skeptical that you're entirely innocent? The mods don't just ban everyone for no reason. There was surely some reason. Perhaps it has something to do with what captainmeme said about apparently using a proxy along with the whole "taking the same name as a mod" thing. To equate this with blaming someone for "driving while black" is ridiculous. There's quite a clear difference.

And my comment still stands, why would you use the same name here??
RUFFHAUS 8 (2502 D)
04 May 17 UTC
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"I think this entire situation says more about the alarmists at Web Diplomacy than it does about me, for example. If people are so easily offended, I'm better off without them. "

Yes, it says that we dislike trolls. Follow the doctor's orders, and go away.
hellenic_riot (1000 D)
Tue 16 May UTC
@Mercy,

Funny that you should ask. Normally, I wouldn't publish emails since I'd presume people send those sorts of things to me in confidence. However, since Webdiplomacy moderators are apparently publishing information about me, I suppose it's open season!

First I received:

"Dear webDiplomacy member,

I'm emailing you because our systems have flagged your account as
having very strong connections to other accounts on our site. It seems
these accounts have a strong likelihood of being owned and operated by
the same individual or by close real-life friends. You should know
that the webDiplomacy rules prohibit multiple accounts, and they
strongly limit the way in which you play games with real-life friends.
Please refer to the rules here: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/rules.php.

It is our job to determine whether these links are indicative of
cheating, or a misunderstanding of the rules. In that light, if there
is anything you would like to tell me that would help explain the
situation I would be grateful if you would respond to this email.
Admission to cheating will not necessarily mean the worst possible
punishment, since we all do make mistakes. If you fail to respond at
all in the next 3 days, I have no choice but to assume cheating and
ban the account(s) in question.

Thank you for helping us resolve this quickly.

webDiplomacy Moderator"

Hmmm...looks like boiler plate. To this I replied:

"Thank you for getting in touch. None of my friends play web diplomacy - I
found it through Wikipedia. Thank you for helping me to resolve this."

That should do it right? Their reply was:

"In that case, it appears that you may have multiple accounts. If you do, we
require that you limit yourself to one account, and we may ban the other
accounts.

-webDiplomacy Moderator"

Menacing, but not quite threatening. Problem solved, right? Still I sent a follow-up email just to be sure:

"Pardon, but I do not have multiple accounts. Please re-investigate before
you ban anyone's account. Would you consider that you are mistaken?

I'm pretty sure I would know if I had multiple accounts."

And then promptly didn't hear back from them. No news is good news? After that I was busy with work. I was receiving some emails from multiple video games, none of which I read because most of them are automated, and almost none of them are ever important. Webdiplomacy is just a video game, after all. A few days later I was finally caught up with work and so when I logged into Webdiplomacy, I'd found my email account was locked. What's this? I went sifting through unread emails and finally found the culprit:

"Oh, I've done some digging and it appears that you're using a VPN or proxy.
This could be the cause. May I ask why you are using such a tool? It's
interfering with our ability to detect multi-accounts and meta-gamers.

-webDiplomacy Moderator"

Followed very closely by:

"Dear webDiplomacy Member,

Your account has been banned for a violation of site rules. If you wish to
appeal this decision, please respond promptly.

-webDiplomacy Moderator"

This was annoying, especially since I was cooperating and had done nothing wrong. My response was pretty much to the point:

"This is quite silly. I'm using a proxy, because clearly I'm being spied
upon.

It's just overall a funny question - "So, we've been spying upon you, and
would like to know why you're taking evasive behavior."

Please unban my account, this is plain silly."

This did not receive any reply. About a week later I'd gotten tired of waiting and so sent a follow-up directly to one of the administrators, whose identity I won't publish as they tried to be actually helpful:

"Can you please look into this for me? I understand that you guys are
volunteers and so you probably have other stuff going on, however it's
been a few days and I'd really like to resume playing.

I've done nothing to deserve this and I've been more than patient."

The staff member replied promptly from their personal account:

"I will have an admin look into it."

Now we're getting somewhere! Later I received this gem:

"

Hi there

I hear you'd like a ban appeal. Is there any particular reason that you are
using an email address mimicking a site administrator whilst using all
those VPN's?"

Still, it hardly seemed politic to ignore the thing, not if I ever hoped to play Diplomacy again. Thus I replied:

"Thanks for responding.

My email address is the same as my account name. I think mimicking is a
stretch of what's actually going on - I borrowed someone else's account
name because I was too lazy to think of my own. I haven't posted on your
discussion board and don't read it. With all respect, I'm interested in
playing the game but not in the social aspects. As I've said, mimicry
seems like a stretch.

"Using all those VPN's" is surprising as well. Surprising is a euphemism
in this context - silly would be a better adjective. I'm using one VPN,
the one that comes with my browser (Opera). Does it rotate IP address?
Apparently it does. That's outside of my control though.

In essence, given that I'm new to the site I don't feel that I can
possibly have been involved in anything substantial enough to build a case
against me. Everything that's been brought to my attention so far has
been circumstantial.

Do you guys have any actual evidence that I've been cheating? Hasn't this
gone on long enough? As a compromise I'd like to volunteer to change my
screen name if it's that big of an issue for you guys, although I think
that this is more than I should need to do.

I'd love to confront some actual evidence if you guys have any, but your
argument here appears to be circular. I'm in trouble for using a VPN, but
I'm using a VPN because I prefer not to be spied on. I'm being spied on
because I'm in trouble. If you read those last two sentences back to
back, it's a circle. No actual evidence.

Please resolve this and unban me as soon as you're ready, preferably
sooner rather than later as I'd prefer to resume playing. While an
apology from you guys is not strictly necessary, some might feel that it's
indicated."

This did not elicit any response. I sent a follow up after about a week of waiting:

"It has been more than a week without response. Can we please unban my
account? No evidence has thus far been presented. Prosecution has no
case. Motion for dismissal. This persecution has continued long enough."

Which didn't seem to get my any further. After about another week of waiting, I made an account here, not having any other vector for redress.

What do you make of all this?
CCR (1254 D)
Wed 17 May UTC
If you want to join the community, you must follow its rules and authorize it to "spy" you. If you don't, then you are a potential cheater and must be banned.

Summing up, answering your question, what do I make of all this?, It makes you a cheater.
Mikey99 (2174 D)
Wed 17 May UTC
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Well this is interesting and you make your case quite well. In these times, I don't think it should be an indictment to be using a proxy. You might be torrenting, you might like porn, you might just not like the growing corporatisation and control of the web - any of these are solid reasons to use a VPN, and I agree that this should not be used as evidence of cheating. Especially if there haven't been any complaints or concerns raised by other players. Have there been? (I know that I'll raise it with mods if I see behaviour between players that appear to be meta-gaming).

But given your evident competency as demonstrated in this post, I just don't buy that you couldn't come up with your own screen name. I mean, seriously, how hard is that? Just throw two random words together and there you have it... think ... ummm.. "Blue Steel"... oh, wait... For me, that's what raises a flag. That you'd steal another person's handle, and frankly, in this context, that's what it is - stealing. Its a virtual community where all we have is our name and people's associations with that name. To take another is just dumb and you don't appear to be dumb. Even more dumb is to take a Mod's handle and a senior member of the site, although that may just be bad luck on your part... or just dumber, but see my early comment about dumber or dumber. Or maybe I'm just being dumberer myself.

But also, this all has to do with another site, another community, right? While many members play across both, many don't. Me for example. I'm ok with just vDip.

So why not close/delete/kill/exit/combust your account and sign up with a new one with your very own, unique and original account name. For a hint on how to do this, choose two books... say a bible and a random work of fiction with chapter titles and then flip open randomly to one chapter in each and combine the titles... you'll get, say - you could get "Cloud Chronicles" - see what I just did there? Hey, you could have fun with this all night and not only get your very own unique vDip name, you might get some useful Tinder/Grindr handles as well.

But I disagree that we should all allow ourselves to be spied upon. While this site might be harmless and well intended, many aren't and these are growing.
kaner406 (1317 D (B) (B))
Wed 17 May UTC
+1 Mikey99

I believe I've already aired my thoughts on a new username..


hellenic_forget_about_whatever_daft_issue_you_had_and_create_a_new_unique_account_riot
YouCan'tHandleTheTruth (1322 D)
Wed 17 May UTC
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Paranoia speaks volumes about the paranoid. We always accuse others of things we are doing wrong ourselves. So if you see people "spying" on your internet activity, I suggest you must be doing it yourself. There is no spying here. This is a volunteer run site and the admins don't have time to waste on foolishness.


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gopher27 (1208 D)
Tue 16 May UTC
New Thread Idea
Does anyone know Polish History? Did The Deluge cause such material damage that it doomed Poland to economic and political death spiral, did it devastate the proto-bourgeois, densely populated Northwest at a key moment within a republic when it was fighting with the rural, agrarian South and East thus stunting an incipient movement towards urbanization and development or did it not really have any long term effect?
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HQDeevejot (928 D)
Tue 16 May UTC
Shrek Super Slam vs. Mr. Rogers' neighborhood
which one is the good one
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HQDominator (904 D)
Tue 16 May UTC
Thread Discussion Thread
In this Thread, we will be discussing other threads such as the Word Association Thread and the New Thread Ideas Thread and most importantly The Muting Thread
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Technostar (1002 D)
Fri 12 May UTC
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Scramble for Africa Variant - Gauging Interest
I was wondering how interested people would be in a Scramble for Africa variant. I'm already making one for my friends and me to use, so I could easily put it on the lab for testing once it's done.
13 replies
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Greetings Thread
Um....................... Hello? Is anyone there?
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The Ambassador (1689 D (B) (B))
Fri 12 May UTC
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Calhamer prototype - feedback please
Hi folks - the Calhamer prototype of Dip has been rolling around in my head and I'm thinking of bringing it to the online community. But I have some questions that I'd appreciate your input into:
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The Ambassador (1689 D (B) (B))
Thu 11 May UTC
Where do you post your variant map ideas?
Working on the Calhamer Prototype variant and interested in getting opinions on map design to keep it authenticate. In some cases the maps aren't clear and I'm interested in advice. Where's the best spot folks have found for posting?
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webdipper123 (902 D)
Thu 11 May UTC
Advertise LIVE games here
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=31095
starting in 1 hr.
classic - 5mins phase
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The Ambassador (1689 D (B) (B))
02 Sep 16 UTC
(+5)
New podcast for online Dip games
Hi everyone

Kaner and I have started a podcast about playing Diplomacy online....
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Hypoguy (1602 D)
03 May 17 UTC
Sengoku - Want to join?
Anyone interested in a game of Sengoku Jidai? Medieval Japan. Post here if you want to join, and what preferences you have for anon, phase length, etc.
http://vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=27
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Carebear (1000 D)
07 May 17 UTC
Online Diplomacy Championship - Second Round Signup
The deadline to signup for the second round of the Online Diplomacy Championship @ PDET 2017 will be May 19 with games starting shortly there after. Players who did not participate in the first round may join the second round.
2 replies
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The Ambassador (1689 D (B) (B))
20 Mar 17 UTC
Fixing the Pirates variant
With the new Lab up and running, as discussed in the DiplomacyGames podcast I'm keen to iron out the bugs in Pirates that people hate...
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gjdip (1511 D)
06 May 17 UTC
Problems with World War II large map?
Is anoyone else having problems with the large map in World War II games? I get: This page isn’t working. vdiplomacy.com is currently unable to handle this request. HTTP ERROR 500.
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kaner406 (1317 D (B) (B))
03 May 17 UTC
I was thinking about making a second account...
Here's a few...
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Captainmeme (1547 D Mod (B))
22 Apr 17 UTC
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Reminder: ALWAYS check the settings of games you join!
Hi all,
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