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Enriador (1507 D)
07 Apr 18 UTC
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New Variant: Manifest Destiny III
Hail diplomats,

Yet another variant is coming: Manifest Destiny III. It's set in North America during the conquest of the Wild West.
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Dr. Recommended (1660 D Mod (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
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Variant Tournaments
I've really enjoyed playing variant-specific tournaments such as the Known World 15x15 currently underway.
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Dr. Recommended (1660 D Mod (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
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I've also played WWII and Ancient Med 5x5, and a World DiplomacyIX 17x17 on WebDip. If you're not familiar with the format, we select a variant and each player plays each nation once.

I'm looking for players interested in joining a couple of these. Here are my requirements, though I'll be willing to consider changes based on needs and preferences of others:

All games gunboat
WTA
At least 10 entry bid per game, depending on consensus.
Semi-anon
Hidden draw votes
2-day phases with an agreement to ready early whenever possible

Reliability is the number one criteria, but I will give priority to ranking as well. Scoring will be as follows, with N = number of players in the variant, and D = number of players in a draw:

Solo: N/2
Draw: (N-D)/D

The number of concurrent games will be 5, or N/2 if the variant calls for more than 5 players. In the case of odd numbers the extra will be played in the first group. If enough players are interested that a variant of more than 10 is required, we can run N/3 games at once.

Extends granted upon reasonable request and player consensus, anything longer than the standard 4 days will require a sitter.

Some of the variants I'm interested in using for this:

Dutch Revolt (5)
Mars (6)
Youngstown WWII (6)
American Conflict (6)
Colonial (7)
Abstraction III (7)
Classic Fog of War (7)
Sengoku (8)
USA (8)
Europe 1939 (8)
Aberration V (9)
Hussite Wars (9)
Youngstown Redux (10)
Fall of the American Empire (10)
And of course WWIV, but that will never happen :)

I can commit to doing 2, maybe 3 of these at once. Please let me know if you're interested and we'll go from there. Maybe we can work our way through several and keep a running score over time.

Yes, I am a Diplomacy junkie.
El Cremoso (1728 D)
24 Dec 16 UTC
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i'd be interested, but depending on the map.
Excellent!

Dr. Rec
El Crem
kaner406 (2181 D Mod (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
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Definately depends on the map, but count me in.
Great, thanks kaner. What are some maps you guys would like or not like to use?

Dr
EC
kaner
Dr. Recommended (1660 D Mod (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
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By the way, my phone autocorrect wants to change "kaner" to Janet. It kind of cracks me up a little bit every time.
kaner406 (2181 D Mod (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
For me:

Mars (6)
Youngstown WWII (6)
American Conflict (6)
Colonial (7)
Abstraction III (7)
Sengoku (8)
USA (8)
Europe 1939 (8)
Aberration V (9)
Fall of the American Empire (10)
Decima Legio (1987 D)
24 Dec 16 UTC
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I've played Sengoku once or twice in the past.
It's a very underrated variant, and it's designed incredibly well,

Count me in if we reach consensus on that variant.
Mercy (2131 D)
24 Dec 16 UTC
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@Dr. Recommended. Could you explain why you choose this particular scoring system?

By the way - I would be interested in a mini-tournament on Treaty of Verdun, a 3-player map. The tournament could be organised as follows: 7 players can take part in the tournament; there will be played exactly 7 games, of which each player takes part in 3; each player will play each nation once and each player will play against each of the other 6 players exactly once. I verified that this can be done.
Captainmeme (1400 D Mod (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
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Solo: N/2
Draw: (N-D)/D

This seems like a weird way of scoring. A 2-way draw is worth (N-2)/2 = (N/2) - 1, but N/2 for a solo. 1 point doesn't seem like enough of a difference considering one is a win and the other is a draw...

Why not N points for a solo?
tantrumizer (1557 D)
24 Dec 16 UTC
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I would play any variant 10 players or less. Except Chromatic! I don't like playing unbalanced variants in normally but no problem in a tournament. Someone recently suggested 1600 which I think is a good one too.
tantrumizer (1557 D)
24 Dec 16 UTC
Age of Pericles too.
Retillion (2304 D (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
@ Dr. Recommended :

The larger N is, the more (N-2)/2 tends to be equal to N/2.
In other words, with the scoring system that you propose, there is not much difference between the points awarded for a solo and the points awarded for a 2-way draw.

For example, a 2-way draw in the variant Fall of the American Empire IV (which includes 10 players) would reward 4 D to each of the 2 drawing players, while a solo in that variant would reward only 5 D !

I know that 2-way draws are not frequent, especially in Gunboat games but the same reasoning can be made with a 3-way draw : the larger N is, the more (N-3)/3 tends to be equal to 1/3, etc.
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Let me please rephrase it :
With the scoring system that you propose,
• in each game drawn, a total of N-D points is awarded ;
• in each soloed game, a total of N/2 D is awarded, which is always less that N-D (in the case of a solo, D=1), as soon as N>2 (which is always the case in a Diplomacy game).
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As a conclusion, the proposed scoring system does not reward enough solos.
May I please suggest, as a solution, that the scoring system should simply always reward (N-D)/D to every player that finishes the game without being eliminated, which would reward N-1 D for a solo.
Another possibility is to encourage even more solos by giving N points to the winning player in case of a solo.
Retillion (2304 D (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
NOTE : the autocorrect of vdip automatically changed the word points (that I wrote) into the sign "D points", which is not what I meant.
Retillion (2304 D (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
I just see now that Captainmeme also wrote a note about the scoring system : we wrote simulatenously.
Samj (1801 D)
24 Dec 16 UTC
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If my ranking is good enough, I'll be happy to join
First off, thanks everyone for the interest and feedback. I'll read through again with more time, but for now, in short: I wanted a system that would keep scores relatively low and close through the tournament and even across variants as more are played. SoS would not work across variants of different sizes. Yes, a 2-way draw would be worth close to a solo. I want to put emphasis on narrowing draws as much as possible, to make the endgame less about holding and mopping up a final elimination and increase the chances of late stabs and taking risks to gain extra points.
GOD (1850 D Mod (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
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I'd join
Samj (1801 D)
24 Dec 16 UTC
I'm in it for the competition, points aren't my focus
Eki83 (2150 D)
24 Dec 16 UTC
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I'm interested to play if variant is Sengoku.
Please put your name on the list if you are interested in playing. From this point forward, I will assume that posting in this thread indicates interest.

Dr
EC
kaner
Decima
tantrumizer
Samj
GOD
Eki83

That's 8, enough for Sengoku. I'll start games later today, and PM links to the above players. If any do not want to play this variant, I'll move their name to a different variant list and replace them. If your name is not on the list, it's because you did not say you were actually interested in playing.

I'll take additions to the interested players list for the next variant, to be determined:

1) Dr Rec
2)
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Now, back to the scoring. Let's walk it through, with a few scenarios.

Fall of the American Empire (10):
Solo = 5
2-way = 4
3-way = 2.33
4-way = 1.5
5-way = 1

Sengoku (8):
Solo = 4
2-way = 3
3-way = 1.67
4-way = 1
5-way = 0.6

Dutch (5):
Solo = 2.5
2-way = 1.5
3-way = .67
4-way = 0.25

I'm good with that. I don't disagree that the system rewards 2-way draws very close to solos. However, I like the pressure that adds for players to consider continuing to reduce the draw, weighing whether to go for those extra points against the risk that doing so will result in a solo for someone else. I do not think there will be a lot of 2-way draws, and I think it more likely will lead to an extra solo or tow here and there. One important consideration is that there are some variants out there in which half-plus-one is not the victory condition. I don't want any 2-way draw to be risk-free, and for the purposes of this tournament the VCs will be adjusted as needed to maximize that risk.
Well, we run right into that with Sengoku, don't we? 25/37 required for solo, which really opens the door for safe 2-way draws. Reducing the VC to 19 increases solo chances but also the number of players likely to be remaining when it's time to stop the leader from soloing. I'm actually OK with that in the context of an 8-game tournament, and interested in seeing what happens. Among the 8 players I've listed for this, are there any strenuous objections?
mouse (1825 D)
25 Dec 16 UTC
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I'd be up for Dutch, Mars, Fog, Sengoku, Aberration or American Empire, if any of those are next map chosen. Or for filling a gap in the current Sengoku field if someone pulls out.

Slight preference to the games themselves being unrated, and only the out-of-game scoring being used, but really I just want to play games.
These will all be rated as per opening post. Thanks for joining, mouse!

1) Dr Rec
2) mouse
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Dr. Recommended (1660 D Mod (B))
25 Dec 16 UTC
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Mercy, I don't want to let your post fall through the cracks. If you organize such a tournament I will be interested in playing, however I don't want to go below 5-player variants in this one.
Mapu (2086 D (B))
25 Dec 16 UTC
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Dearest Doctor, would you be kind enough to prescribe unrated for this tournament? If so, you have another patient.
tantrumizer (1557 D)
25 Dec 16 UTC
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I have never played Sengoku before, so it should be daunting!
Mapu we can do one with unrated-only players, and I'll play in it - but generally I want these rated.

1) Dr Rec
2) mouse
3)
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Unrated only:
1) mapu
2) Dr Rec
3)
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I'll join the unrated tourney...

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Enriador (1507 D)
10 May 18 UTC
[Variant] Florence Diplomacy
What happens when you move two little dots around?
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kaner406 (2181 D Mod (B))
07 May 18 UTC
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Server not processing games.
I've gone ahead and added 24 hours to all games, to avoid any problems preemptively.
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GOD (1850 D Mod (B))
16 Apr 18 UTC
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GODMODE
Hello everyone, If like to host a special rules game, if we could find enough players interested:
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fasces349 (1007 D)
26 Dec 10 UTC
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Advertise live games here
Like in webdiplo, this thread will be used to help people find live games
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
29 Apr 18 UTC
Help needed: Our 4 press-types.
Hi everybody.
I'm working on a rules-page about our 4 press-types.
Someone willing to submit some guide what these different press-types are, and what these mean for playing the game?
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Siagas (1965 D)
17 Apr 18 UTC
Looking for replacement quickly
Looking for replacements in the following game : Public WWIV
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=33046

You would play as Egypt in the map World War IV. This game is Public Press so everything you say everyone can see. For more detail, go look the new message in the thread.
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ubercacher16 (2169 D)
30 Apr 18 UTC
Replacement needed
I need a replacement for China in the bourse game.
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islefan5 (968 D)
28 Apr 18 UTC
Problem: cannot set orders
I have the message “loading order” but cannot enter any orders. Is the site down?
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Anon (?? D)
08 Mar 18 UTC
New Variant: 1913
1913 is a revision of the Classic map, having both balance and historical accuracy at its heart.

The first game is live! http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=34011
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
04 Apr 18 UTC
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Imbalanced map?
It seems as if several maps need some balancing work. For example, England* v Turkey is skewed toward England, and in Rinascimento, the French are virtually at the hands of other players’ wills.
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Safari (1530 D)
05 Jan 18 UTC
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Austrian Succession: New and Improved
After four years, War of Austrian Succession is nearing completion! Please come help test it so that I can perfect the balance.
It would be very helpful if we could have no NMRs for the first few phases. http://lab.diplomail.ru/board.php?gameID=64
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
23 Apr 18 UTC
War of Austrian Succession....being obnoxious
Does history matter and should it fall to a mathematician to be the history nerd?
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CCR (1957 D)
12 Dec 17 UTC
A Reconquista variant
http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/i/iberian.htm
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stephan (1062 D)
16 Apr 18 UTC
Vermont needed!
Vermont in „the trump effect“ 50 states game has been basically abandoned and is still in its (characteristically) stronk position, but not for much longer. grab while supplies last!
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
15 Apr 18 UTC
Blank variant?
On the variants page there's currently a row with no assigned variant. Can you fix this?
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TheFlyingJarate (923 D)
15 Apr 18 UTC
Hello, I have a problem
Hello, I have a problem. I am going away for a few days (tomorrow), and I don't know how to quit the game I am in. There are 36 players, so I cannot reasonably ask for all of them to pause --- besides, there isn't enough time --- so I am stuck.
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Maiorianus (1000 D)
14 Apr 18 UTC
Playing with fewer players
Hi all!

I know this is probably a noob question, but I need to resolve this issue: is it possible to start a game with fewer players than those normally expected? I tried it once with the Rinascimento variant, but the game didn't launch just because there weren't 12 players.
Thank you in advance!
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Enriador (1507 D)
02 Apr 18 UTC
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Machiavelli Variant
Hail diplomats,

'Machiavelli', a legendary variant of Diplomacy, will soon be made available here on vDip using Andrew Jameson's adaptation.
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drano019 (2710 D Mod)
05 Apr 18 UTC
Variant Design Help
See below.
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
05 Apr 18 UTC
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New convoy-code.
Thanks to tobi1 we have a new and improved convoy-code.
This was really a problem for all "big" variants.
Very cool you could solve this problem. I did take a look at your code, but I'm absolutely clueless... :-)
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
06 Apr 18 UTC
Gunboat specs
If the "Gunboat", "Public Press", or "Per Rulebook" rules are employed, shouldn't the game be automatically "Anon" as well? If it weren't, then players could just PM each other, defeating the purpose.
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
06 Apr 18 UTC
Question about social norms for players
In a large game, a reliable player asked the mods to extend the game for Easter. The request was general and largely in the name of other player: "Hey guys, it's Easter, and in a big game, some people will probably be traveling to see family." The extension was granted, and requests like that are likely to be accepted.
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
06 Apr 18 UTC
Port this?
Here's a variant we might want to try (with a few tweaks, of course):
Map: https://apolyton.net/filedata/fetch?id=8931879
Thread: https://apolyton.net/forum/miscellaneous/archives/stories-diplomacy-archive/114155-stefu-s-very-own-north-american-diplomacy-1870-map
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JOIN: Imperial Diplomacy II - 3 more Players!
JOIN: Imperial Diplomacy II - 3 more Players!
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
10 Feb 18 UTC
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RSS feed for Notifications (discussion)
Hi everyone.
Don't miss PMs or game-notifications with your personal RSS-feed.
In your settings-page you can create a unique link that updates with your "Notices"-tab on your homescreen.

Feel free to post ideas for improvements or suggestions.
What's your favorite RSS-client for your platform of choice?
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
02 Apr 18 UTC
Testing a possible new variant
I've made a simple Diplomacy variant, but I haven't tested it. Would this be the place to (perhaps) gain some testers?
7 replies
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sarmstro (931 D)
03 Apr 18 UTC
Noob question
Hi, long time dipper, first time vdipper. Is it possible to enter orders using an android phone, or do I have to wait to get in front of a PC? The orders field just says "loading order" and nothing else happens.

Apologies for the stupid question, and hello!
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Battalion (2386 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
Bot wars
I've been wondering how well you could write a script to play gunboat diplomacy. Probably not very well (at least to begin with!), but it would be fun to try. I don't really have the time to do this properly right now, but I'm interested to know if it has been done before, or whether anyone would be keen to try at some point in the future.
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