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butterhead (979 D)
21 May 12 UTC
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Advertise your NON-live games here!
In an effort to compromise the pro-ads versus anti-ads for games: Post here for your non-live games to cut down on the number of ads but still advertise games. Post game link, WTA or PPSC, and the bet. Note: this doesn't count for special rules games.
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gman314 (1016 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
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Winning
Oli won.
On Imperial Civilization's off-topic thread (link inside), there was a brief stint of Second to Last Person to Post Wins. Now that the thread is closed, Oli won.
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LexLuthor (960 D)
09 Jul 21 UTC
IMPERIAL II Players
Who would like to play games of Imperial II on a regular basis? I'd like start like a league and start keeping track of results. Need 13.
https://www.vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=81
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Heer Alvaro (1000 D)
Wed 21 Jul UTC
Create a new Variant
Hi guys! In case I want to create a new variant. WHO is the person I would ask for?

THANKS!
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CCR (1783 D)
Mon 19 Jul UTC
Any Mod around?
Looking for you for some time now.
Touch me in Pvt or through the
ModForum ;) *grin*
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David E. Cohen (1000 D)
Sat 17 Jul UTC
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COLLABORATOR WANTED:
I am looking for a collaborator for a variant I am developing.
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David Hood (976 D)
Sat 17 Jul UTC
July 2021 Deadline News Is Out
Features a panel discussion of European players, tournament news, and a report on a college course about Diplomacy being offered at the University of the West Indies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GphP6Cyc9FQ&t=482s
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brainbomb (662 D)
12 Jul 21 UTC
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Cross Community Mafia Event
Hear Ye, Hear Ye
webdiplomacy, playdiplomacy and vdiplomacy have long stood as the pillars of the finest diplomacy experience on the web. And now a rare event has come which pits all the finest dip players together in Mafia!
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CrimiClown (1084 D)
08 Jul 21 UTC
Change username
Hey everyone, stupid question perhaps, but can I change my username on this website? Or do I need to make a new account?

Thanks!
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Anon (?? D)
07 Jul 21 UTC
WW2 Game
Join our WW2 Game!
https://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=49420
9 of us know each other in real life, pass is elliott.
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Caustic (1025 D)
23 Jun 21 UTC
New King of England?
Can the players from europe tell me what's going on with this? Google and youtube seamed to have filtered out anything about this. Is it true?
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Two Chaos Games!
Looking for more players for two chaos games, one of which is public press. https://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=49397
https://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=49389
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Looking For Chaos
Hi, looking for more players for a chaos game
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butterhead (979 D)
09 Apr 21 UTC
Divided States Team Game
Hey guys! Back in the day, we used to do a lot of team games on here(chaos map, classic, etc). Im curious if people would be interested in doing a team game of the divided states map... Yes, I know, 50 people is a LOT to get for a team game. Here is how it would work.
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AJManso4 (1886 D)
09 May 21 UTC
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as for Scotland/England - Norway/Denmark are the counter to that, along with France/Burgundy. Its not actually overpowered.

Swden/LO will have other problems and cant necessarily focus 100% on Denmark/Norway without repercutssions
I see that, but Denmark might also have other worries in the South and East anyway. Still, it might be as good as it can get. I reckon we should just get going with a game with pretty good teams
drano019 (2574 D Mod)
09 May 21 UTC
With England and Scotland as teammates, they have 2 choices - attack France/Burgundy, or attack Norway/Denmark. They have only 2 neighbors. Make peace with one, attack the other.

France/Burgundy can't do that as they have more neighbors. Norway/Denmark the same. They have the German powers to contend with somewhat.

Basically it's such a safe defensive spot and gives them a very linear game.

Breaking them up scatters the whole "my team only has 2 neighbors" thing possibly.
mouse (2019 D)
09 May 21 UTC
I would argue that a Portugal/Castile pair would also be interested in considering England/Scotland a neighbour.

If you break up Scandinavia and surrounds into slightly more clumped teams as well (Nor/Swe; Den/BB; TO/LO) you add in another potential neighbour for the Brits.
mouse (2019 D)
09 May 21 UTC
But yeah, in a world with Nor/Den and Eng/Scot, then Scot/Nor and Eng/Den would be an improvement
kevdog8 (2034 D)
09 May 21 UTC
Strongly against a pair of England and Scotland. I've been part of that alliance before, and it is overpowered.
Frozen Dog (1467 D)
09 May 21 UTC
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Are you sure it wasn't because you're so brilliant kevdog? ;)
kevdog8 (2034 D)
09 May 21 UTC
Hah! I wish! It's because the game unfolds exactly as drano explained. In my case, England blew up France/Burgundy and both made initial peace with Norway/Denmark and then Scotland led the charge on them next. Then it was up to England to intrude on the Continent and Scotland to fight off any Spanish forces and charge north towards Russia.
My point is, England and Scotland have a pretty clear best strategy that makes that part of the board too predictable.
AJManso4 (1886 D)
10 May 21 UTC
I guess Eng/Den and Sco/Nor work then
AJManso4 (1886 D)
10 May 21 UTC
-Denmark/England
-Scotland/Norway
-Sweden/Livonian Order
-France/Burgundy
-Brandenburg/Teutonic Order
-Milan/Savoy
-Switzerland/Bavaria
-Austria/Hungary
-Bohemia/Saxony
-Poland/Lithuania
-Castile/Portugal
-Pope/Tlemcen
-Tunis/Naples
-Morocco/Aragon
-Ottomans/Genoa
-GH/QQ
-Mamluks/Venice
-Novgorod/Muscovy
AJManso4 (1886 D)
10 May 21 UTC
is the updated list ^^
mouse (2019 D)
10 May 21 UTC
But yeah, dibs on not being in the UK or allied to them now; I think they've been made from on the stronger end, but in no way unfairly so, to significantly underpowered in terms of ability to actually usefully function as a team :/
Deezee (1579 D)
10 May 21 UTC
@Mouse the England/Denmark pair is still a really strong team. England is the highest rated country on the map by performance score while 2/3 of the solo victories ever won on this map were won by Denmark.

I think it absolutely makes sense to balance out pairing two powerful countries like this by making it a bit harder for them to coordinate, especially since it makes the map more interesting than an England/Scotland alliance that will just secure the British isles immediately and then invade the Continent opportunistically by attacking whichever neighbor seems weak.
drano019 (2574 D Mod)
10 May 21 UTC
@DeeZee -

Just a reminder that both solos by Denmark were in gunboat. That doesn't at all mean it translates to a full press game. Yes Denmark is a good position, but not as powerful as 2 of 3 solos might suggest.

That said, I'm going to be THAT guy and suggest that Scot/Nor and Eng/Den might even be worse.

Doesn't this force Scotland into fighting Eng/Nor? I suppose Scotland could sail for Iberia, but that's a fairly long stretch and would leave the weak and stretched out and easy to stab and would be hard to project enough force.

Realistically, wouldn't they just attack Eng/Den since they are 2 of his 3 neighbors, and his third is his teammate?

Maybe there's no real good solution if teammates have to be neighbors?
erikip107 (2303 D)
10 May 21 UTC
What if we did something like England/France, Burgundy/Denmark, Scotland/Norway? It would make a decent triangle like the one I proposed for the southeastern corner.
erikip107 (2303 D)
10 May 21 UTC
Like, Scotland could conceivably make peace with England and go help Norway fight in Scandinavia; England/France could conceivably go down to Iberia, Burgundy/Denmark could conceivably focus on the mainland.
drano019 (2574 D Mod)
10 May 21 UTC
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In this situation, the presumed teams were Scot/Norway and Eng/Denmark.

If Scotland were to go help Denmark, he'd either:

1) have to go all the way to northern Russia, leaving himself exceedingly strung out and exposed
or 2) attack Denmark...who would be England's teammate.

At least in the pairing of Eng/Den and Scot/Norway, I do'nt see how war between those two teams doesn't happen.
Halt (2133 D)
10 May 21 UTC
England France are also both 4 center powers at the start and are the natural counterbalances to each other. Pairing them up seems even worse than an England / Scotland team
erikip107 (2303 D)
10 May 21 UTC
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True that France starts with 4, but also France stands in the expansion paths of pretty much everybody. While it may be slightly stronger numbers-wise, I don't think it is geographically, and at the very least it does not make an England/Scotland war guaranteed, and it does not leave two powers right next to the British Isles in somewhat questionable political-geographical starts.

@Drano what do you think?
Lei Saarlainen (958 D)
10 May 21 UTC
i like AJManso4 idea
i am in if have a place(only ER)
Halt (2133 D)
10 May 21 UTC
I don't actually agree. Geographically, the issue with England is that it only has 1 of 3 ways to expand - Scotland, Scandinavia, France. Scandinavia is theoretically possible, but no one ever does it until Scotland is eliminated.

Allying England with either France or Scotland basically makes their gameplan super easy - take out the other side, safe in the fact that your other side is clear. In a non-team game, this is balanced by the fact that other people know this, and will react accordingly. Scotland / France being the classical countering alliance to England.

But in a straight up Scotland vs England, England surely just wins provided bother players are equally competent. They have an additional unit, which becomes 2 additional units after the first year.
mouse (2019 D)
11 May 21 UTC
> take out the other side, safe in the fact that your other side is clear.

...yes, that would be the *entire point* of a team game.
Halt (2133 D)
11 May 21 UTC
If that's true, then why are so many people objecting to the England Scotland pair? England France is that but better.

Sure France might have more options, but realistically, England's path of expansion is still set in stone, and England was always the problem.
Deezee (1579 D)
12 May 21 UTC
What about Scotland and France vs. England and Denmark?

As far as I can tell, the core issues are that England will usually defeat Scotland in a head to head contest, and then a power that controls the British isles is safely able to opportunistically invade either Scandinavia or France while those powers are tied up in other conflicts, especially in Germany. Finally, Scotland only really neighbors England and Norway, so am alliance between those two or between Scotland and Norway leaves Scotland only one path to expand.

France is more able to help Scotland against England than any other power. As a result, England and Norway can either commit fully to fighting Scotland, in which case Scotland is on more of an even footing since England needs to use its builds from Normandy to defend against France rather than doubling down on its position, or else make peace with Scotland/France and invade Scandinavia, forfeiting full control of the British isles. It also gives Scotland
Deezee (1579 D)
12 May 21 UTC
*It also gives Scotland an alternate path to expand by invading Norway, potentially in alliance with Denmark if their respective teammates England and France have made peace.
erikip107 (2303 D)
12 May 21 UTC
The suggestion is not bad! But then who is Burgundy paired with?

However, I do think that the optimal strategy by far in this case is for England's team and Scotland's team to ally still, but this time they also have France and Denmark on their side, which makes their invasion of mainland Europe and Scandinavia even easier...while yes they do have to stab each other eventually, it will end up being very shaky for Norway, Burgundy, etc.
Halt (2133 D)
13 May 21 UTC
If we're starting to worry about optimal alliances between teams, then this whole process becomes rather pointless. Like we might as well say the african nations all ally and they crush the world, and that'd be true.

The counterbalance to OP alliances (formed opportunistically, not such as in a team game) in classic has always been a banding together of other nations realizing what's happening to crush that in turn (such as western triple vs eastern triple or Juggernaut).

Let's focus on giving that area of the board the right dynamic rather than worrying about their diplomacy which would be 1) player dependent 2) has actual diplomatic counters.

I also think that is the best solution for this.

-Denmark/England
-Scotland/Norway
-France/Burgundy

is probably the best solution so far. It's not perfect, but we can't really get that sticking so closely to the must be near each other rule.
AJManso4 (1886 D)
13 May 21 UTC
Maybe. But maybe England/Burgundy, France/Scotland , Norway/Denmark

Norway Denmark I find just quite important to be in a team, as they have the options of Germany, Sweden, the Isles, or all three. And are quite overextended and dont necessarily border one another

Whilst Scotland/France and England/Burgundy are in a fight to the death essentially, in quite the even battle. Diplomacy will play the victor of it
AJManso4 (1886 D)
13 May 21 UTC
Also its important to note that Sweden can absolutely crush an isolated Norway/Denmark, so its important for them to be together
AJManso4 (1886 D)
13 May 21 UTC
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Halt's suggestion of
-Denmark/England
-Scotland/Norway
-France/Burgundy

Also works fine, but personally from my experience in Europa Renovatio, the deciding factor is that most likely Sweden will just knock out the isolated Norway then Denmark, leaving Scotland and England quite isolated

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Aang (936 D)
20 Jun 21 UTC
Looking for someone to replace me
Hello, I recently joined a Europa Renovatio as Sweden but recently I’ve been losing interest in it and don’t really feel like playing it al that much anymore but I also don’t want to hold up the game by not putting in my orders so I was wondering if anyone would like to replace me? We’re only at around the 3rd diplomacy game and you should be able to view it by clicking on my profile
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Fake Al (1747 D)
03 Jun 21 UTC
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Listing pronouns
One of the pitfalls of online Diplomacy I fall into is that I often don't know the genders of my fellow players and get the pronouns wrong. As far as I'm aware, the site doesn't yet have a feature for us to list the pronouns we use. Maybe we could all start listing the pronouns we use in our profile quotes to cut down on the confusion and ambiguity? I went ahead and put mine there.
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Chuttbugger (2277 D)
17 Jun 21 UTC
Profile Page Statistics
I have a few questions regarding profile page statistics that I'm hoping someone can answer.
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David Hood (976 D)
19 Jun 21 UTC
June 2021 Deadline Just Dropped from DBN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JKadNpQwLw&t=1041s
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Rhaga (1000 D)
14 Jun 21 UTC
Question about NMR and Civil Disorder
I don't really understand how the NMR and Civil Disorder mechanics work here on vdip. We're playing a casual unrated game with a group, but one of the players wants out for personal reasons.
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NickArrow (1000 D)
12 Jun 21 UTC
Escalation Variant
I was wondering if anybody knows if it is possible to play the escalation variant on here? Ideally, Escalation can be played with less than seven players, or possibly more than seven players. But I am not seeing any sort of option to play Escalation, does anybody know if that is possible?
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Standardized Diplo-Language?
I was wondering if anyone has ever come up with a standard language of diplomacy commands so as to maintain anonymity while playing an anon game among friends. If you're playing with friends, you can tell who is who by how they write. Thanks for any comments or ideas.
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kaner406 (1678 D Mod (B) (B))
08 Sep 18 UTC
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Variant Development Thread
This thread is made for the express purpose of cutting down of multiple threads that deal with new variants, ideas, concepts etc...
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AJManso4 (1886 D)
21 May 21 UTC
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Anyone play EU4?
Wondering if some people would like to do some multiplayer games sometime of EU4 or other paradox games in a discord server im in
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Mikey99 (2009 D)
22 May 21 UTC
Random Idea for variant
I guess this would be tricky to code, but how is this idea for vDip?

During a build phase and where a power has available build capacity, any unit sitting in a supply centre may be boosted by a power of 1, ie, doubled. This unit will require twice the normal ongoing supply maintenance.
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DaveSpermbank (1026 D)
23 May 21 UTC
Replacement player
Life has gotten busy and I do not have the time to play anymore. Can I have a country switch replacement for Tlemcen in gameID=47238?
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Mikey99 (2009 D)
13 May 21 UTC
VP
Kinda curious on VP... I understand that the gains are lesser as one gets higher, but how does one player (for example) get to over 2000 with under 12 total games and only 1 win? I know its not that consequential in the grand scheme of things. but as I get to a moderately respectable total, the vp gains from a win or draw seem trivial and disproportionate to lost vp when losing. How does VP calculations actually work?
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Anon (?? D)
18 May 21 UTC
A Modern Europe Game --> Need players! :D
The massive map of europe with 20 countries. only 7/20 filled up

https://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=48301
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umbletheheep (1023 D)
18 May 21 UTC
Diplomacy Board Game Giveaway
The Briefing is giving away a free Diplomacy board game. Here's how to win it: https://www.diplomacybriefing.com/giveaway
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pcrowther (1500 D)
15 May 21 UTC
Trying to post in mod forum
I’m trying to post in the mod forum but it doesn’t look like it’s saving/posting the thread. Am I doing something wrong?
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David Hood (976 D)
14 May 21 UTC
May 2021 Deadline News is Out!
Enjoy the Dixiecon news, the panel discussion with Jordan Connors (Conq), Katie Gray and Jason Mastbaum, and headlines from around the world of Diplomacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZUQ19Shp0I

David Hood
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