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GOD (1850 D Mod (B))
12 May 23 UTC
Cleaning up gmaes lost in pause
About hald of our active games are currently paused. For oversight, I will start drawing games having been pause for more than half a year. If for whatever reason you are in such a game and would not like to have it paused, please write so in the mod forum.
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Argyle Poblano (1931 D)
09 May 23 UTC
Any Toki Pona speakers?
Just wondering if there's any crossover between the Toki Pona community and vdip :)

(toki pona is a conlang for those confused)
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Avocado (1434 D)
08 May 23 UTC
New Divided States Map
I felt like making a Divided States map which I named “Well, rip us” (for obvious reasons). If anyone who is reading this hasn’t joined, they should as this could be really fun.
https://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=56122
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kendall (1719 D)
04 May 23 UTC
Etiquette of readying your moves
I’ve notice that a lot of people stop readying their moves—even retreats—when the game isn’t going their way any more. Is there a strategic explanation for this or is just to pout?
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GOD (1850 D Mod (B))
30 Apr 23 UTC
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Throwing the game
Since messages from people complaining about this have reached us quite a lot in the last weeks:
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David E. Cohen (1000 D)
26 Apr 23 UTC
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New Rulebook Edition
The new Renegade edition of the rules is now available at https://renegadegamestudios.com/diplomacy/
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Chinese 2020-2021 Diplomacy League is so exciting!
The Chinese Diplomacy League games have been in "New games" for two years..? -_-
Unless I'm missing something about the Chinese way of playing Diplomacy, maybe it could be a good thing to delete these games? :)
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finnrobertson15 (1000 D)
17 Apr 23 UTC
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Two New Variants: Classic - Arabia & 1939 (My first two)
My first two variants. Let me know what you think, and how I can improve either one or variant creation in general :)

https://imgur.com/a/sNNzxOC
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David Hood (976 D)
26 Apr 23 UTC
April 2023 Deadline News is out, from the Diplomacy Broadcast Network
New Deadline episode released - Dipcon/Dixiecon memories, David E. Cohen interview, and headlines from around the world of Diplomacy: https://youtu.be/czJc_hG_zsg
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Flame (1073 D)
19 Feb 23 UTC
Minor power variant dev-team
Who is willing or capable to join to make a new variant called "Minor power"?
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Airplane units
Several years ago, I played a Dip game that I could not fully recall. Not the people I played with, the power I played as, or the exact changes to the rules. All I could remember is that the map played on involved countries all over the globe; that, alongside armies and fleets, it featured aerial units (and even nukes)
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David E. Cohen (1000 D)
16 Apr 23 UTC
New Variant, Comments Wanted: Flowery War
This is a 5 player variant set in pre-Aztec Mesoamerica. I do not believe any previous variant has tackled this subject matter. Rules and abbreviations are on the map. One notable rule is a unit conversion/transformation option.
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The Ambassador (1948 D (B))
11 Apr 23 UTC
Podcast listeners game
Hi folks

In the last podcast episode of Diplomacy Games, Kaner and I talked about having a Nine-Dash Line game with listeners.
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The Desert Fox (1995 D)
26 Feb 23 UTC
Spring Training
Hey all, just wondering if we have any baseball fans here and if so what are your thoughts as your team starts playing games. I'm a die hard Minnesota Twins fan and am eager to get the season underway. The off season was filled with big money moves and I guess we'll see if those will pay off for the teams that went " all in " and spent.
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David Hood (976 D)
17 Apr 23 UTC
Dipcon/Dixiecon coming up in May - FTF Variant Event
The 52nd annual North American Diplomacy Championship is coming up the last weekend in May. Remember we are also running a face to face variant event this year, using Ancient Med. More details at www.dixiecon.com.

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Lord Saviour (1407 D)
23 Mar 23 UTC
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What is going on?!
Is anyone else going a bit mad looking at the state of the world? France on the verge of another revolution et cetera.
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ubercacher16 (2169 D)
23 Mar 23 UTC
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There's nothing new under the sun.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
23 Mar 23 UTC
About a decade ago, a prominent and extremely wealthy recluse died in New York City at 105 after living in seclusion for many, many decades. She was the daughter of a Senator, who was a Copper mining baron in the American West. She was generally known to exist even by people like me when I lived in New York as a college kid, and journalists would occasionally write about her meticulously maintained, massive mansions in several of the wealthier communities of the US that had in some cases not been visited in more than 50 or even 75 years.

One little tidbit about Huguette Clark that I learned in the coverage after she died was that she actually communicated with numerous people quite regularly by phone, much as Howard Hughes had. Some years previously, a much younger female family member, who had physically met Clark as a small child, made a concerted effort to get the reclusive Ms. Clark to attend her daughter's wedding in France to reconnect with the extended family. Ms. Clark responded that she could not possibly travel to France as they were overdue to have another revolution, and she did not feel safe taking such risks.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
23 Mar 23 UTC
@ubercacher...except the history you do not know.
GOD (1850 D Mod (B))
23 Mar 23 UTC
The French should get back to work and/or procreate at higher rates instead of trying to end up with a Greek style pension system that is doomed to fail eventually.
GOD (1850 D Mod (B))
23 Mar 23 UTC
Also Macron is relatively free to do what he wants since he cannot be reelected anyway.
EvW (1508 D)
23 Mar 23 UTC
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On the verge of a revolution? This is just a regular thing for France, there not being protests would be news. It's certainly no worse than the gilet jaune stuff from a couple years back.
ubercacher16 (2169 D)
23 Mar 23 UTC
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I don't really know what you mean gopher. My point is that statements like, "the state of the world is driving me mad" are redundant.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
23 Mar 23 UTC
There's nothing new under the sun....except the history you do not know.

France's natural form of government is monarchy occasionally interrupted by riots.
ubercacher16 (2169 D)
23 Mar 23 UTC
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I remain confused
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
23 Mar 23 UTC
About what in particular?
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
24 Mar 23 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0U9Qx7rhaQ

"Mrs. Windsor responded that she could not possibly travel to France as they were overdue to have another revolution, and she did not feel safe taking such risks."
Lord Saviour (1407 D)
24 Mar 23 UTC
I was more talking about the collapse of American regional banks. The massive strikes in not only France but the UK too and many other countries like Georgia. The BRICS growing at an exponential rate with Mexico applying to join. I believe Germany applied too.
Lord Saviour (1407 D)
24 Mar 23 UTC
All bringing about the decline of the US. And the failure of the dollar which is due. My only issue with it is that the Nato countries will cling to the US as it drowns; drowning themselves in the process
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
24 Mar 23 UTC
Some some second tier central bank seems to be maxing out a loan facility from the US Federal Reserve. There is another more preferential facility for acquiring dollars that is limited to the Bank of Canada, the Bank of England, the European Central Bank, the Bank of Japan, and the Swiss National Bank, so presumably this borrower is not one of them. The central banks that were provided dollars by the FED in 2008 included the Reserve Bank of Australia, the Banco Central do Brasil, the Bank of Canada, Danmarks Nationalbank, the Bank of England, the European Central Bank, the Bank of Japan, the Bank of Korea, the Banco de Mexico, the Reserve Bank of New Zealand, Norges Bank, the Monetary Authority of Singapore, Sveriges Riksbank, and the Swiss National Bank, so my guess would be that those would be the central banks allowed to borrow from the FED on relative short notice without significant, observable, administrative action. So my first cut guess would be that either Australia, Brazil, Denmark, South Korea, Singapore or Sweden is having trouble readily acquiring dollars through normal market channels.

A little noticed and thus little commented upon aspect of the Great Financial Crisis was that the US Federal Reserve loaned around $600,000,000,000 to other central banks to keep the global economy lubricated as people rushed to buy (and presumably temporarily hoard) dollars as a safe haven asset. The amount just borrowed looks to have been $60,000,000,000 or 10% of the global total from 2008.
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
24 Mar 23 UTC
Lord Saviour -

Sources? When I search for Mexico and Germany, all I find is that Mexico supposedly "expressed interest" and nothing about Germany.

And even if what you said is true, there's serious complications that even someone with little economic background can see:

1) From what I can see, Mexico's total trade (imports+exports) with the US was about $780 Billion in 2021. Compared to (at least what I could find quickly) about $70 Billion with China in 2020. That's a 10-1 ratio basically. You think Mexico would throw away what is by far their most lucrative trading partner?

2) What about NAFTA? Or I guess its USMCA now. If Mexico were to start striking up these other arrangements with other countries, I highly doubt the US would just sit back and not take action. If there's one thing you can be sure of about the US, it's that we like to meddle (for better and for worse) to protect what we view as our own interests.

3) BRICS is not some sort of magic economic alliance. They have serious issues. Russia, as I'm sure we all know by now, isn't exactly having an easy time in Ukraine. And from what I've read lately, kind of sold it's soul to China in an attempt to keep afloat due to global sanctions. Their economy is smaller than: US, China, Japan, Germany, UK, India, France, Italy, Canada, and South Korea. And that's not even including the effects of global sanctions from the past year being ramped up. With much of their economy being tied to natural resources (especial oil and gas), that doesn't exactly bode well for their future either.

Then there's China and India. They aren't exactly friends to say the least. Those two don't exactly want to help each other, leaving it questionable what exactly BRICS would do if their interests were directly opposed.


In summary: you're making a VERY bold claim that this is all headed towards the decline of the US. Will the US eventually sunset as the undisputed global economic power as globalization continues and we become a less unipolar world? Yes, of course. To claim it's all happening here without any real sources to back it up though is a very interesting claim.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
24 Mar 23 UTC
Gentlemen, if the US Navy stops maintaining global sea lanes for free, then globalization will come to screeching halt. The NAFTA continental bloc is the closest thing the world has to an economically self-sufficient unit. The US can turn off globalization anytime that it wishes to do so.

Russia and China are both in demographic death spirals. South Africa can't keep the lights on because state employees are literally stealing massive quantities of coal every day from their power plants. That is how deep their micro-level social corruption has gotten. There is something like 9 Gigawatts of power production deficits in aggregate. Middle class apartment buildings in South Africa commonly have both electric generators and their own water wells because of the imploding public services. Brazil is backsliding on basic governance much more quickly than I thought likely. Lula part deux is looking to be even worse than Bolsonaro was. India's opposition party leader (great grandson of the nation's founder) was sentenced to two years in prison this week for making a joke about Modi during the last election. BRICS is literally just a marketing invention of Goldman Sachs to sell investment products.

And of course, Mexico is practically a narco state at this point. As an American, I am much more concerned about social and state collapse in Mexico a la 1910 with the inevitable need for US intervention than I am them reorienting their economy away from the US. The entire Mexican economy is built upon their physical proximity to the US.
Lord Saviour (1407 D)
24 Mar 23 UTC
Drano, it is more of a prediction on my part. And yes, you are correct. I was incorrect about Germany as of now; I had heard it through the grapevine. However, we cannot be certain about the future. Regarding Mexico, they have expressed interest, yes. But as we saw with Saudi Arabia they joined relatively soon after they expressed interest. The president has been under the impression that the US has been undermining it's soverignity as a country. Using the US military to eliminate the cartels was being discussed.

1. Mexico, while having good trade with the US, is fed up. Understandably. Bring treated like second class citizens is enough. Russia had sanctions cut and its Nord stream blown up by the US. However, it has turned to China and other BRICS nations, as will Mexico if it joins BRICS.

2. That is definitely one of the US' strengths. You have military power to project influence. I don't deny that the US would do something about it.

3. China and India are not friends, no. We see the same with England and France in the 1940s. Supposed friends but not even close. The English blew up their fleet in dock out of fear of it falling into German hands. Killing a few hundred French servicemen in the process. (I think around 700 or 1000, I can't remember the exact figure.) The french then returned the favour on a combined British and American fleet entering North Africa a few years later. Again, killing American and British sailors.
England and France worked together but this was more of a forced cooperation. As with China and India.

The main issue with the US now is currency and the backing. BRICS and their currency seems awfully similar to Gadaffi's suggested gold-backed currency. Before he was killed. Obviously there is a reason the BRICS nations are stockpiling gold.

Again, this is speculation and I am not trying to offend anyone with what I assume is going to happen. Just keep an open mind.
GOD (1850 D Mod (B))
24 Mar 23 UTC
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Hahaha Germany joining BRICS wth
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
24 Mar 23 UTC
Lord Saviour -

Can I ask what country you are from? I ask because some of the things you're saying just seem factually incorrect. For example:

- Saudi Arabia is not part of BRICS at this time.
- You state the US blew up Nord Stream without any evidence.
- Stating that Mexico can just turn to BRICS countries because they're fed up as if it's just flipping a switch.
- Comparing India/China to France/Britain. The situation in WWII was a *little* bit different. I mean, honestly. We're talking literally world war with millions of people dying, and France having been cut in half by the Nazis.

And that's not even considering the points Gopher made in their post. Perhaps it's just opinion, but honestly, it kind of reads like bad-faith or overly-simplistic arguing.
Fake Al (1747 D)
24 Mar 23 UTC
The US has some major internal issues, but don't let that fool you into thinking US power is fading. The war in Ukraine has made the US stronger than ever geopolitically speaking.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
24 Mar 23 UTC
Weren't the Indian and Chinese armies literally shooting each other just a few months ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes
JECE (1534 D)
24 Mar 23 UTC
I wish that you all would talk about real madness like what's going on in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. All this speculation is just weird.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
24 Mar 23 UTC
What specifically is going on in Port-au-Prince at the moment?
GOD (1850 D Mod (B))
24 Mar 23 UTC
@gopher they don’t shoot each other, only use blunt weapons like sticks die to weapons prohibition. Barbaric.
JECE (1534 D)
24 Mar 23 UTC
https://apnews.com/article/haiti-gang-violence-killed-31eaed96031c7bbc6b3c03ab925d2860

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20230321-un-gang-related-violence-has-killed-more-than-530-in-haiti-this-year
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
24 Mar 23 UTC
So just the usual gang violence that has been going on for some time?
Lord Saviour (1407 D)
25 Mar 23 UTC
Drano, England. To be honest, it is bad faith.
Enriador (1507 D)
25 Mar 23 UTC
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I visited Brazil recently and the country's governance is doing just fine, it has improved in large strides since Lula took over relative to the nepotism-ridden Bolsonaro administration. It's nothing wonderful (hasn't even been 3 months), but way better than having a simpleton in power pushing false narratives on imaginary election fraud.

Then again, Lula has gotten more votes across his election campaigns than any other politician in human history. He gotta do *something* right.
JECE (1534 D)
25 Mar 23 UTC
gopher27: Hundreds of deaths in the last couple weeks is new. So seems to be shooting people at random. And the government keeps losing more ground, controlling just 40% of the capital and less than half of the country.
JECE (1534 D)
25 Mar 23 UTC
There is also very disturbing news coming from India, where the former leader of the opposition party has been handed a two-year prison sentence and expelled from parliament for supposedly 'defaming' the prime minister with a mild comment. That's another bit of real madness for you.

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David E. Cohen (1000 D)
30 Mar 23 UTC
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New Variant: Twilight of the Classical World: Comments Wanted
This eight-player variant is set in an uncommon era, between the fall of Rome and the rise of Islam, toward the end of that period, in 609, during the Heraclian revolt against Emperor Phocas. I welcome comments or criticism. Variant rules are on the map. Check out the variant at https://davidecohen.wixsite.com/diplomiscellany/twilight-of-the-classical-world
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Live game
Anyone interested in a live 1v1 match today?
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MagicalSand (1726 D)
12 Mar 23 UTC
Has anyone ever played diplomacy in school?
I know I myself was ever able to, but some relatives did when they were in school. But perhaps some of the older players here played diplomacy in their history classes. I'm curious if anyone here has and if they have any cool stories to go with it? And maybe it's still used as a learning tool today yet even.
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ubercacher16 (2169 D)
29 Mar 23 UTC
Extended Turns
Is there a way to see how many turns you have caused to extend?
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
11 Mar 23 UTC
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Manifesto posting thread
"I guess the benefit of having the thread system and no forum here is that no one will bother to use it for their manifestos :P" ---Fake Al

Hear me, weirdos, malcontents and conspiracy theorists of vDip, your failure to post rambling disjointed manifestos has been noticed and commented upon.
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MagicalSand (1726 D)
01 Mar 23 UTC
How do excused NMRs work?
So on a game I was playing in, it says something around the lines of "1 excused NMR / regain after 5 turn(s) / extend the first 1 turn(s)". So it leads me to believe that you get an excused NMR back after 5 turns, and wouldn't go into civil disorder.
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AJManso4 (2318 D)
15 Mar 23 UTC
Would it make sense that playing diplomacy is actually a healthy exercise for your brain?
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kestasjk (0 D)
13 Oct 22 UTC
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webDip merge
Hey all, kestasjk from webDiplomacy.net here.

I have a feeling this is going to get shot down straight away but that's totally fine; just want to lay out a long-term proposal for merging the code bases and see whether it's worth thinking about or if I'm barking up the wrong tree.
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anqilan456 (1000 D X)
22 Mar 23 UTC
NBA 2K23 players have noticed that Herschel
NBA 2K23 players have noticed that Herschel "Dr. Disrespect' Beahm has made an appearance as a surprise player in the game.Along with the other major 2022 game launches, NBA 2K23 is set to begin play on September 9 and despite not being out in the moment, fans have already seen the 2x champion in the game.If you want to learn more about NBA 2K23 MT, please visit https://www.nba2king.com/Nba-2k23-Mt.html
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anqilan456 (1000 D X)
22 Mar 23 UTC
Position within the Diablo 4's five classes


What they won't see is a wide variety of bodies, at least for each class. The Barbarian is strong and muscular for their position within the Diablo 4's five classes. The Sorcerer/Sorceress class looks strong enough to be able to lift books and wands, but they're not nearly as lean and athletic-looking like the Rogue.
If you want to learn more about Diablo 4 Gold,piease vist https://www.mmoexp.com/Diablo-4/Gold.html
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anqilan456 (1000 D X)
22 Mar 23 UTC
The art of scoring from a corner fut 23
The left stick is used to steer the ball. The right stick is used to increase the level. To score from corners, it's preferred to strike the corner in-swinging, using the correct mix of precision and power.
If you want to learn more about FIFA 23 Coins,please vist mmoexp
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Flame (1073 D)
20 Mar 23 UTC
Discord server for russian-speaking Diplomacy players
We start the Discord server for russian-speaking Diplomacy players here.
Join to get new friend and foes! ;)
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Lord Saviour (1407 D)
15 Mar 23 UTC
Game limit?
I am in 3 games and cannot join any others because of game limits. Can someone help me please?
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jason4747 (1633 D)
19 Mar 23 UTC
For Europa Renovatio players
I like how the colors are mostly reflected in the vDip game. Clearly related. Anyone know the backstory?

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/11umkgx/map_of_europe_1500/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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