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kaner406 (2243 D Mod (B))
Thu 24 Nov UTC
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Artificial Intelligence for Diplomacy has arrived
Check out the author list as well...

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade9097
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The Ambassador (1988 D (B))
02 Sep 16 UTC
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New podcast for online Dip games
Hi everyone

Kaner and I have started a podcast about playing Diplomacy online....
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David E. Cohen (1000 D)
Thu 17 Nov UTC
vDip Discord Server?
Why isn't there one? It seems like every other large or small forum or group has its own Discord server.
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butterhead (1147 D)
21 May 12 UTC
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Advertise your NON-live games here!
In an effort to compromise the pro-ads versus anti-ads for games: Post here for your non-live games to cut down on the number of ads but still advertise games. Post game link, WTA or PPSC, and the bet. Note: this doesn't count for special rules games.
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Qapoleon (1000 D)
Sat 19 Nov UTC
Variant Cataloging
I've been trying to keep track of variants made. Recently Stephen Agar came back on the scene and I am helping him amass variants over the past 20 years or so of his inactivity. I've made a google spreadsheet that contains the ones he's cataloged on his various websites and added a bunch that I knew of. I've also made a form to submit variants to be cataloged.
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Minihugo (897 D)
Sun 20 Nov UTC
Post a variant?
Hey guys! Im wondering is I can suggest a variant to be added to the site? and if so how?
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gman314 (1016 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
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Winning
Oli won.
On Imperial Civilization's off-topic thread (link inside), there was a brief stint of Second to Last Person to Post Wins. Now that the thread is closed, Oli won.
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David Hood (976 D)
Fri 18 Nov UTC
November 2022 Deadline News is out!
Latest edition of Deadline News is out, from the Diplomacy Broadcast Network. Lots of hobbyist interviews from World Dipcon, a discussion with Ed Sullivan about his experiences arguing a case at the US Supreme Court, and headlines from around the World of Diplomacy.
https://youtu.be/GwbEfZLmGoY
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The Ambassador (1988 D (B))
22 Apr 22 UTC
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Ankara Crescent
London to Bulgaria
Edinburgh to Naples
Liverpool to Ionian
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
21 Oct 22 UTC
Provocative Question
If Xi Jinping had been recruited as a long term, deep cover agent by the CIA (perhaps during his visit to Iowa) a la Günter Guillaume, Anthony Blunt or Eleanor Iselin, what would the CIA have him doing differently to sabotage China as a potential competitor of the USA?
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The Ambassador (1988 D (B))
25 Sep 22 UTC
One bourbon, one scotch and one beer
Thoughts on the topic?
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Flame (1092 D)
05 Nov 22 UTC
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Forum avatars
We have got a new feature on webdiplomacy.ru.
Avatars for users. Please check it out here:
https://webdiplomacy.ru/forum.php
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kaner406 (2243 D Mod (B))
19 Apr 22 UTC
Bourse 2022
Bourse 2022 sign up thread...
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Lord Saviour (1341 D)
03 Oct 22 UTC
We need something to resurrect the forums. Any ideas?
Cars, politics, sports or even Jesus if it comes to it. We need to talk about something. It hurts to see the Winning thread dying. Maybe it is time to replace it with something completely new...
What about a supplement or alternative, rather than a replacement? Specifically, Why doesn't vDip have its own Discord server?
kaner406 (2243 D Mod (B))
04 Oct 22 UTC
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Maybe the winning thread needs to die?
As a "newbie" the forum is the weirdest place to be, open to ideas and conversation sometimes, but one look at the winning thread and I have no clue what's going on.
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
04 Oct 22 UTC
No one understands the Winning thread. Maybe it does need to die or maybe it needs an alternative.
@eisenhower - you “win” if you’re the third to last (second to last I get that confused) to post.
Strider (1706 D)
05 Oct 22 UTC
Winning thread is the only thing I block on the site!
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
05 Oct 22 UTC
Whom do people believe blew up the Nord Stream pipelines?
Dejan0707 (1986 D)
05 Oct 22 UTC
Who wanted it to be blown the most. That is the guy who did it.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
05 Oct 22 UTC
Not necessarily. Ukraine or Poland would have wanted it blown up the most. I am not sure that I can claim to view Ukraine as a reasonable suspect.
kaner406 (2243 D Mod (B))
06 Oct 22 UTC
I'm thinking it might be one of the Baltic states, perhaps Sweden itself. Maybe Russia did it, maybe USA. I'm waiting to hear whether or not the hole made in explosion shows signs of being blown-in or blown-out.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
07 Oct 22 UTC
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Events over the last day or two:

Jeff Sachs (academic at Columbia University) has publicly claimed that radar tracked helicopters flying out of Gdansk hovering in the area before the explosions. He further claimed that the US military has helicopters based in Gdansk.

When the press secretary for the US Defense Department (who generally covers security topics over the White House PS) was asked whether the US or a US proxy sabotaged the pipelines, he responded by saying that the US did not sabotage the pipelines. The journalist did not follow up to ask whether that was an admission that a US proxy did it.

So Poland may be the prime suspect.

Also, the NY Times reported this morning a leak from the CIA confirming that Ukrainian Intelligence did murder Darya Dugina. The leaker went on to assert that they did this without the knowledge or approval of the US and that US had strongly reprimanded them for recklessness in that action and unspecified other unilateral actions. So that may have been designed to establish plausible deniability with the Europeans.

I saw one bit of analysis that the underlying report was distributed much more widely in the last few days within the bureaucracy and that this is in practical terms how targeted leaking is done from above.

Several days before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor a war plan called Rainbow Five was published on the front page of the Chicago Tribune and thus became national news that consumed the country. It explicitly disproved the central promise Roosevelt had made in his re-election campaign the previous year. Rainbow Five was a detailed plan with detailed timetables for the building of a 5 million man army and then deploying that army to Europe to fight Nazi Germany in coordination with the British.

The FBI quickly established that the leaker was Hap Arnold (the father of the US Air Force) who was not disciplined in any way. The war plan, which was certain to anger people associated with air power because of how it proposed allocating resources in a war with Nazi Germany, was made widely available in a seemingly deliberate manner as tensions were escalating with Japan and the US began moving all of our B-17s to the Philippines. The leak got all of the Isolationist politicians to publicly attack Roosevelt as a liar and a war monger right before the Japanese attacked. This neutralized them and enabled their sidelining once the war came. This is all covered in Fleming's The New Dealers' War, which actually goes so far as to claim that another part of the provocation was to induce Hitler to declare war on the US in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor. Fleming is a well-regarded American historian who conducted extensive interviews with Harry Truman before his death on this and other topics; he also interviewed the German-American army officer who was publicly hung out to dry as a probably leaker and borderline traitor despite knowledge by the government that he was completely innocent.
JECE (1534 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
gopher27: Why would the CIA leak matter? The Russians already believed that Ukraine was responsible.
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
I personally would have thought the US were behind it.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
07 Oct 22 UTC
@JECE....I can only speculate. My thought would be to shape how European policymakers view events or perhaps to shape future Ukrainian behavior. Leaks are also frequently used to provide justifications for other internal bureaucratic actions.

@Lord Saviour....Why would the US care at all about Alexander Dugin much less his daughter? He is a buffoon who, if anything, helps US propaganda.
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
@Gopher, the US I am saying has interest in blowing up Nord Stream. It would cut trade for gas between Russia and Europe and the only way to get gas to Europe is though Ukraine. This is immensely bad for Russia as they have lost a soft power in that respect. Good for the US as they can increase support they give Europe. Russia has no interest in blowing it up as they have the power to just turn it off. The only reason why they would blow it up is to escalate tensions with the West. Ukraine have little reason to blow it up. In my opinion it is one of the US' consistent non-sensical power plays.
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
The US have always had tensions with Russia and previously the USSR. It is akin to England and France before the 1900s. Although England and France were a lot worse. A war that lasted 100 years, need I say more? They would do as much in their power to paint the other in a bad image.
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
Or we are all wrong and it was some rogue Russians who did it somehow...
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
07 Oct 22 UTC
Ukraine has the most interest in cutting Nord Stream. Their existential fear should be Europe defecting and cutting a separate deal with Russia to sell out Ukraine in exchange for getting the gas turned back on. If Russia cannot turn the gas back on and Ukraine can tighten the market further, then the Europeans have no reason to defect in the dynamic game. Once Russia turns off the gas, Ukraine had every reason to want the gas turned off permanently. The entire purpose of Nord Stream from the beginning was to deprive Ukraine and Poland of leverage.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
07 Oct 22 UTC
The argument for Russia would be that Putin or some rogue element within Russia fears defection within the regime to cut a deal with the West to get back to business.
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
@ Gopher, I can see your point but that seems a bit risky to me. If it was confirmed that Ukraine did it would Europe come to their senses and realise that Ukraine is the reason why Nord Stream was cut off and why so many people are going cold this winter and possibly dying in extreme cases? If they were so desperate to do do that then they better be willing to take that risk because I reckon Europe would revoke support for Ukraine.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
07 Oct 22 UTC
Sabotaging Nord Stream closes and locks a door through which Europe and Russia could negotiate a separate peace (think Minsk II). So its primary effect is to dramatically reduce the payoff to Europe of defecting within this multiplayer dynamic game. So Ukraine, Poland and the US have obvious concerns about the Western Europeans being unreliable partners. Now that the Europeans are screwed irrespective of what strategy they follow, they have every incentive to maintain what is called commitment in game theory and follow through with their publicly announced strategy.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
07 Oct 22 UTC
I have never expressed a belief that Ukraine did it. I simply said that they have the most incentive to want it to happen.

Remember that the people who are going to suffer from Nord Stream are in Pakistan and Bangladesh not in Europe. Europeans are going to spend a ton of money and run up debt. The freezing and starving is going to happen in poorer countries that are getting outbid by the Europeans.
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
That is fair enough. But regardless, the debt is still an issue.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
07 Oct 22 UTC
With pay-as-you-go public pension schemes and a demographic death spiral, a couple more tons of debt probably don't make that much of a difference. :oP

The bigger danger may be the long term effects on shutting down industrial activity. I worry about a doom loop of de-industrialization across Europe and the possibility that portions of the ruling class are inclined to view it as a benefit from the crisis.
bluecthulhu (1838 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
Just to add some more possible info - may be only superficial damage?
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russia-Claims-Natural-Gas-Could-Still-Flow-Through-Nord-Stream-2.html

JECE (1534 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
gopher27: And speculate you did, but I still don't see the connections that you were trying to draw with your long post.
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
07 Oct 22 UTC
I agree
well it looks like it worked
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
11 Oct 22 UTC
Yeah.
Yep, forums are truckin' along nicely now.
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
03 Nov 22 UTC
It is looking good Amby!
Mitomon (1681 D)
Sat 12 Nov UTC
Congrats on making it work!
The Ambassador (1988 D (B))
Sat 12 Nov UTC
As Dora the Explorer used to say, "We did it."
Lord Saviour (1341 D)
Sat 12 Nov UTC
I’m the map, I’m the map


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The Ambassador (1988 D (B))
03 Nov 22 UTC
Weird weather?
It's like less than a month until summer here in Australia and we're going through a cold snap. Those in the northern hemisphere have you got similar whacky stuff happening with warmer than normal (or something else odd) going on?
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kestasjk (0 D)
13 Oct 22 UTC
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webDip merge
Hey all, kestasjk from webDiplomacy.net here.

I have a feeling this is going to get shot down straight away but that's totally fine; just want to lay out a long-term proposal for merging the code bases and see whether it's worth thinking about or if I'm barking up the wrong tree.
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The Ambassador (1988 D (B))
03 Oct 22 UTC
Putin & your Dip spidey senses
As Diplomacy players I think we’re particular attuned to seeing a geopolitical situation get out of control….
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drano019 (2716 D Mod)
25 Oct 22 UTC
VDip Community
See Below
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GOD (1678 D Mod (B))
24 Oct 22 UTC
The least played variant
It’s this, with just four games:

https://www.vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=54
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
20 Oct 22 UTC
Anarchy in the UK
British Politics seems to be taking over the "Putin for Diplomats" thread. Offering such discussions a home.
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Xenon Radon (1897 D)
20 Oct 22 UTC
How does the Rank system work?
I'm curious why everyone else with 1800+ points are "Diplomat" but I am ranked as "Experienced".
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David Hood (976 D)
20 Oct 22 UTC
Oct 2022 edition of Deadline News from the Diplomacy Broadcast Network
Hey there Diplomacy fans, the latest issue of the Diplomacy Broadcast Network's monthly news show has just been released. An interview with the TD of the upcoming World Dipcon in Vermont, a panel discussion about using Dip skills in everyday life, and headlines from around the world of Diplomacy. https://youtu.be/aIhQESKW04g
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Rancher (1383 D)
19 Oct 22 UTC
Favorite Variants?
As mentioned recently, the forum could use a little reboot with some casual but relevant conversation. Naturally, then let me ask all of you to discuss your favorite variants here, and then we can all tell you why you are wrong

Those who know me well will not be surprised that I say Rinascimento and Germany 1648
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Qapoleon (1000 D)
16 Oct 22 UTC
New column in the variants list?
Was browsing statistics and was thinking it would be sweet to see the standard deviation of the performance values listed on the variants list page. That way you could essentially sort the collection by how balanced it is.
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Fake Al (1747 D)
25 Aug 22 UTC
Best map variants ever made
Which maps variants are best designed in your opinion. Not necessarily your favorites. I’m thinking those that give fun and interesting gameplay for all players, but you can use your own criteria.
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Quarantino (1000 D)
16 Sep 22 UTC
1900 New Game Available
Tillers of the Poppy Fields. Someone's gotta do it.
2 days. 20 points. Random country.
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AJManso4 (2095 D)
04 Oct 22 UTC
Question - Brain fart
Say there are 5 provinces in a sealane. C is the center. A, B, C, D, and F are placed like this. All 4 of them can touch the other.
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frostwind (1395 D)
06 Sep 22 UTC
Temporary Replacement in Unranked 50 States
tl;dr will be touching grass and hauling ass, someone plox manage a dozen+ center power in my absence for up to 10 days. willing to negotiate if my replacement wants to keep the power or some other compensation.
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David Hood (976 D)
19 Sep 22 UTC
September 2022 Deadline News is out!
Latest episode of Deadline News was just released by the Diplomacy Broadcast Network. This one includes a panel discussion about endgame strategy, an interview with longtime Dip hobbyist Brad Wilson about both Diplomacy and his sports journalism career, and headlines from around the world of Diplomacy.
https://youtu.be/Ttw4IWaodaA
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Anon (?? D)
15 Sep 22 UTC
Europa Renovatio New Game Available - All Welcome
https://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=53553#gamePanel

A new Europa game is here, for all who missed the previous most recent one. Join if you dare... O_O
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