A game is normally either a draw or a solo. In the solo the winner gets all points already.

So when does the special WTA rule comes into play then?

Does the game need to have other ending criteria, like 12 centers on classic or a preset number of turns?

WTA is to differentiate it from PPSC, where the winner *doesn't* get all the points - they're split according to how many supply centres everyone alive owns.

So having 18 centers on Classic with PPSC is not a solo any longer? 18 centers does not give you all points?

18 is a solo but in ppsc you don't get all the points. Point per supply center. Thats what you sign up for but you can still win D points if someone else wins.

Your V ooints is anyone's guess. They depend on the caliber of your opponents and which way the wind blows while your tounge sticks out :p

If the game is winner take all, a solo gets you all the d points and v points wagered.
If the game is points per supply centre, a solo gets you (and any other survivors) n% of the d points (where n is the percentage of total centres you own), while v points are distributed on a similar basis (namely, you lose points to anyone who did better than you, inversely related to how much better than you they were expected to fare). Naturally, if you win, you get a larger share of the points than anyone who lost but managed to survive.

So, yes, 18 centres on classic under PPSC is still a solo, but no, you don't win the entire pool with that solo.

But then I like the Sum-of-Squares rule better. Correct me if I have misunderstood it. It gives all points to the solo and if there is a draw it divides the pot using the Sum-of-Squares method.

Any difference for elo-rating points between surviving and being eliminated? Thats after all the more important ladder

tassa: by my understanding (which is really only from looking at the games in my hof backlog; go to your profile www.vdiplomacy.com/profile.php?userID=xx and replace 'profile' with 'hof' for http://www.vdiplomacy.com/hof.php?userID=xx ) in WTA games there is no difference between survival and elimination, while in PPSC there is.

peterlund: the options present on this site are WTA (solo wins the whole pot, draws are divided perfectly evenly amongst all survivors) and PPSC (solo and survivors win a proportional portion of the pot, draws again divided equally). If you're looking for another way of splitting draws, I don't believe it's available here.
Purely personally, I very much prefer draws being entirely evenly split rather than (correct me if I'm wrong about 'sum of squares here, this is purely a guess from context) a pseudo-PPSC distribution, as an even split discourages those winning from playing for a draw, while encouraging those not doing so well to team up, regardless of personal gain, to hold against a dominant player.

But the elo ranking does not split the usual points. If i lose against a bunch of noobs i take a larger hit than the other way around. And the wta deacription does not really address penalties for draws and survivals in that regard

What penalty for a draw in WTA? Pot is split evenly. That's no penalty.
I'd also tend to assume that the name "Winner Take All" should really be self-explanatory enough that, by reading it, you'd pick up that, unless you win, you get nothing. Note that 'nothing' in terms of centre count is exactly equivalent to 'defeated' - 0 centres owned.

I'm also not sure how your follow-up question maps to your initial question. If you survive a PPSC game, you count as 'defeating' anyone with less centres than you (in addition to all the actually defeated players), and being defeated by anyone with more centres than you. Sure, those numbers are going to be modulated slightly by your expected ability to defeat each player, but the trend is still generally positive for a survival, and negative for an elimination.

@mouse: I am also playing many games at webdiplomacy.net and there the Sum-of-Squares rule is available. And I don't really like the old fashion DIAS (draws include all survivors) rule that divides the points evenly equal between all survivors. DIAS forces players to first eliminate minor powers before accepting a draw. The Sum-of-Squares rules make it possible for the major powers to accept the draw earlier. It is a pitty that this option is not available for games also on this site.

A pitty? Spelling. . .

I think it is good that Sum of Squares is not available here. Draws should always include all survivors in my book.

re 'forcing' people to eliminate more people before voting a draw: good. Draw should be a last resort, game is in a proper stalemate position, or obviously collapsible to such without someone securing a solo. If you can still kill people, you should still be playing.

If you want minors to still get points, play PPSC.

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