"it would take too long" is not a suitable excuse. We took care to implement a feature in order to help inexperienced players with a rough forecast about how long a game is expected to last... 1week, 1 month, 4 months...
To be honest, experienced players wouldn't even need that feature in order to realize in advance how long a game can take to complete.

concerning the HoF: there are quite a few players who make a break of some months or more. Also, if the active players aren't good enough (I realise that that is relative) to push the inactive ones down, that's a shame by itself and should not be supported by cleaning the HoF.

I'll repeat a bit, because i think it's important. Effectively we need two Halls of Fame, the existing one which takes no notice of whether you've played recently or not = the All-Time Hall of Fame. BUT there also needs to be a Current Hall of Fame that shows only the players who are: still playing, on a waitlist, or have finished a game in the last year. If it's possible, the latter could take into account only games played in the last year! It's what happens in several sports and that's because it's a much better guide to a player's strength. (Drugged atm - hope that makes sebnse.)

I like vdip. I like it more than webdip. Wish there was more ppl playing here :/ I try getting ppl over all the time. I just don't get it

Would be nice if I could get my reliability rateing reset for my efforts..!?

Or make 1v1s count so I can fix it

@Mapu: I speak whenever I want to. I cd'd because I missed the deadline for personal issues. But think whatever makes you sleep better at night.

It seems to me that the reliability rating works pretty well. Everyone has personal issues. Almost everyone misses a turn now and then. Missing a turn and CDing a position are entirely different occurrences. Missing many turns *and CDing games multiple times should rightly be recognized and recorded to protect the integrity of future games. If you guys want to repair your reputations, I recommend that you start with a sincere apology, and stop making excuses for your past disruptive behavior. When I read your protestations here I have little sympathy because I see no remorse, no contrition, and no evidence that anything in the future will prevent you from CDing again. I do not see any evidence present for revamping the RR system, although I will acknowledge that it's difficult to play your way back into good graces with so few games being played overall. Still, if there are not strong protections in place to discourage CD behavior, then the community as a whole suffers. I wish you well in your quest to regain respectable RR status. The entire community benefits from reliable players.

Idk what your talking about or who your talking to. Assume me, talking about my RR. I sure as hell wasn't complaining. I do think if missing in 1v1 is going to effect my RR why not effect it by showing up but I wasn't saying that before now was I? You must be a genius, is that what RR is for?

@Ruffhaus: first of all the comment I made was in regard to a lack of consideration for CDs over total games played, not about RR. I think RR functions well, what is broken is the penalty for amount of games you can join simultaneously which does not take into account total games played. Also, given the variety of rules in existence not all CD are equal. I am pretty sure that a CD or NMR in a 12h per phase game should not be weighed equally as one in a 7day per phase game. Yet they are weighed equally. Same for a CD with one NMR compared to a CD with multiple NMRs. This is why I think the amount of games a player can join at the same time should not be limited by the current formula. It limits the amount of games players can play at the same time and thus reduces even further the pool of available games. The community is already small enough to impose random restrictions on games played. I believe the whole point of the rule limits is to ease new players in and to prevent inconsistent players from joining too many games and quitting them all at once. That is not going to happen when a player has played hundreds of game before.

As it is, I had to join multiple CD position in games I do not care about at all just to be able to play some more games at the same time. There were not many CD positions to choose from, so I had to join games I have zero interest in just for this purpose. THat does not help me nor the other players in the game, given that they would be better off with another player that would actually be interested in those games, rather than playing as a chore.

I can't join any CD positions it says there's 5 (big whoop) but none show in list. I can't join any games. I think I can play in two..? I think. One of witch was chaos and I lost already. That game should be going for quite some time... nice because that fills a spot. I believe. The other game is on pause. It's been couple days past when he said he would come back but Im nice. I understand in the real world people have other priorities to take care of. Some might call them "personal issues".
I hadn't thought about it until kaug said it but I agree. Why would new people keep coming back when they can't fill a game. I'm always here, unless "personal issues arise". I put effort in recruiting people I don't see why not reset my RR. Witch was what I was saying before. If you read it.

1v1 for life! Careful tho. Think to much and you might ruin your perfect RR

Shoot, thinking and putting in 15 moves with drop down box in 5min is talent

So whining about not getting to join games because you aren't reliable enough to put in orders is the new "it" thing? Sorry, not buying it. You were stupid for CDing and NMRing and now you must pay the piper.

@kaug - "Same for a CD with one NMR compared to a CD with multiple NMRs"

If you look at the RR calculation, the multiple NMRs and one CD does affect your RR worse than one NMR and one CD. So in that, you are mistaken.

Yea I knew that. Don't care

Did I say you, faded? No, I said *kaug* who said it didn't matter.

((NoNmr% + NoCD%)/2)^3

Say you were in a game for 20 phases. You missed 10 before CDing. You had 20 games under your belt when you CDed and missed for the first time.

(50%+95%) / 2=72.5%
.725^3 = .381 or 38RR

Now take that same scenario except you only missed the two phases that caused you to CD.

90+95 / 2 = 92.5%
.925^3 = 79RR

My bad

I think that something which might need to be changed is the limit on games based on NMRs. I have a friend who has played over 500 phases and missed 25, so has RR93, and has never CDed yet he is limited so he can only play one game, so this really puts a damper on what we can do with him. What would be nice would be something to either allow him to play in some of out public games or take into account the total number of phases played when working out the game limit.

Put things into context. People CD, NMR due to overcommitment or real life issues. Back when I started playing diplomacy in the days of playing by e-mail it was considered normal for a phase to take 3 weeks. That's right 3-weeks. The site that facilitated this also offered fast diplomacy on 1 and 2 week turnarounds, but you needed to have successfully finished a game on the 3-week a season first. In addition to this if you CDd or NMRd you'd better have a damn good excuse because otherwise you would be black-listed and not be allowed to play another Diplomacy game, ever, period.

So jump forward a few years and diplomacy judges appeared, and then phpDiplomacy shows up on the scene. And holy-shit! all of a sudden there is a huge community of players somehow managing to play games with a season turn-around of as little as 1 day... and then live games appeared on the scene! This was awesome! A real change in how Diplomacy was played on the internet.

One side effect from this is that all of a sudden, many games started to become disrupted as new players realised that, again, holy shit!, Diplomacy actually takes a significant bit of effort and commitment to be an active contributor to the community.

So efforts were put in place to prevent a newbie from joining up to 10 games or more in his first hour. RR restrictions are simply the latest iteration of dealing with the issue of encouraging players to commit to the game and not ruin a game for other people who have committed to it by CDing. In this internet connected world we can forget, I think, the value of well constructed negotiations that take place over a period of time. I know I don't always fully commit to games that I play, but I try my best not to NMR or CD. I'm fairly sure that I've found my balance with the amount of games that I can legitimately commit to at any given point in time.

One of the better suggestions that I've heard in this whole discussion is the idea that password protected games be exempt from RR requirements.

I don't think that the community would like to move back to permanent banning for players who CD, but the RR process seems to be doing its job, if somewhat imperfectly, in providing a restraint, as well as an effective punishment, on players who are unreliable in their commitments to games.

One suggestion: a withdraw button, so it doesn't take then two turns of NMRs.

How about when you join a game you simply honor your commitment? If you cannot do that then quit whining about why no one wants to play with you in future games.

Basky, I have one CD and am in 3 games right now with an RR of 97. Something else is going on with your friend.

Ruffhaus, Noone is perfect. Even you have a few NMRs. But I agree that whining about RR when you have a high CD count is whiners being whiners and having a sense of unwed entitlement.

I do have some screenshots he sent me, but it's to do with NMRs, and you're limited in the number of games you can play based upon a certain formula.
CDT-(0.2*NMR+0.6*CD)
CDT is CD takeover
then depending upon the number certain restrictions apply. At more than -4 only one game can be join at a time.

Ok, I take over CDs regularly. That explains it.

A CD in a game with 12-hour phases affects the game the same way as in one with 10-day phases. There should not be different values. Do not join games unless you're certain you can meet the commitment, simple as that. When life events change your circumstances and create the need to leave a game, there are ways to handle it beyond abandonment. Find someone to take your place. Ask mods for help, even in an anonymous game they can notify other players that there is an issue and perhaps the game should be paused until a replacement is found. There are ways to handle it that don't torpedo the game for the other players who have put in weeks or months of time.

I have been surprised a couple of times when players that seem quite dependable and reputable are unable to join games. Maybe there is a tweak that can be considered somewhere in the system, but really the system seems to be doing its job. Don't miss turns. Don't abandon games. And if you do, understand that you will have to be patient and work your way back. Diplomacy is not an instant gratification endeavor.

@You Can't handle the truth: you can't read, can you? I said RR works fine. The problem is the rule for limiting the amount of games you can join.

@Dr. Recommended: That is just not true. When you join games you cannot account for life emergencies, and you also cannot account for a game going into extra innings and lasting a lot longer than a typical game. it's ridiculous to expect someone undergoing a life emergency to try and deal with games in a short period of time, so 12h CDs are in no way similar to 10 day CDs. Basically if someone doesn't show up in 10 days he is abandoning, if someone doesn't show up in 12 hours, it is life.