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24 Dec 15 UTC	Autumn, 1902: GameMaster: Hungary voted for a Extend. If 2/3 of the active players vote Extend the the current phase will be extend by 4 days. Please consider backing this. If the majority is not reached by "Autumn, 1903" the votes will be cleared.
26 Dec 15 UTC	Spring, 1903: GameMaster: Per 2/3 majority vote the gamephase got extended by 4 days. (Voters: Hungary / Israel / Spain / Byzantium / Poland / Burgundy)
12 Jan 16 UTC	Spring, 1904: GameMaster: Someone has taken over Poland replacing "DoubleCapitals". Reconsider your alliances.
02 Feb 16 UTC	Autumn, 1906: GameMaster: Someone has taken over Poland replacing "Ravendjinn". Reconsider your alliances.
23 Feb 16 UTC	Spring, 1909: GameMaster: Ukraine voted for a Concede. If everyone (but one) votes Concede the game will end and the player _not_ voting Conceede will get all the points. Everybody else will get a defeat.
17 Apr 16 UTC	Ukraine only have yourself to blame for fighting against me the entire time with byzantine instead of helping me against byzantine, Ireland was able to pick you apart while you worried about lil old me getting 1 or 2 sc's from byzantine, smh
17 Apr 16 UTC	Israel, you are a moron, A-Class... One of the main reasons britain could win was because you did not get your stupid shit together, sabotaging our efforts to prevent a solo. Well done...not. -.- Pitty i and ukraine had our little misunderstanding in the first turns after he built another fleet. otherwise we probably wouldnt have this conversation... haha doc, seems like we made it this time. and again Green-Yellow :) i liked our alliance Ukraine, despite this little early hick-up ^^ good game, Xildur
17 Apr 16 UTC	Israel, did you not realize that this was a WTA game? What exactly was the point of continuing to fight Byz/me for an extra 1-2 SCs when it was clear from 1905 on that Ireland was a threat to solo. I guess the 40d buy-in wasn't enough to keep morons and beginners from ruining the game. gg Xildur. Don't blame you at all for dragging it out until you got the solo (though I voted for a concede as soon as the end was inevitable). We clearly could not keep a united front. Congrats.
17 Apr 16 UTC	for one thing, I wasn't communicating with anyone since this is a gunboat game, so I have no idea if you two were working together sending private messages or whatever, but why the heck would I help you take SC's from me, which you were constantly trying to do the entire game, just to stop Ireland from solo'ing? I'd rather he win than you since you worked against me the whole game, if you didn't attack me for the entire game and let me take over byzantine I could have moved my fleets over towards Sicily, but your stubbornness kept me fighting the two of you all game long
17 Apr 16 UTC	and you could have taken over byantine yourself the entire game if you wanted which could have put you at an advantage over ireland, instead you constantly defended him and let yourself get picked apart
17 Apr 16 UTC	Nice job Xildur. We're making progress, tassa, next time a two-way draw, yes?
17 Apr 16 UTC	Xildur, well done, nicely timed stab. I was originally interested in peace with you DrRec, but when you came to France's rescue and sent everything my way, I kinda had to reposition everything south and ended up giving Xildur the opening he took. Tough early exit for me but good game all in all. Israel, watching this game after my early exit, it was fairly clear you were interested in your own feud in your little corner of the map, until well after it was too late.
17 Apr 16 UTC	I was being constantly attacked by Ukraine/Byzantine, they were constantly trying to take georgia and armenia all game long, why should I have been the one to relent? if they were worried about WTA, then Ukraine could have destroyed units near me when he started losing ground, instead he killed units north. I apologize for nothing.
17 Apr 16 UTC	you took georgia from ukraine. and in one turn it could have meant establishing a good frontline against UK, had you not retaken Armenia. i think i made it quite clear that i didnt want to attack you, otherwhise i would have moved towards jerusalem when i could. there was no way for you to prevent me taking your center down. but no, showing goodwill was apparently not enough. -.-
17 Apr 16 UTC	Thank you, all. At the first, I am gunning for Burgundy territory but then realize that Spain and Sicily are deadlocked in brawl as well as Ukraine's suddenly disappearance. That emboldened me to make the jump to European mainland through 3 areas and spread myself quite thin. Luckily for me, I can take over Spanish territory to fuel my expansion in Hungary area which I stabbed after delaying a bit in hoping that he wide open to me and see Ukraine as his only threat and it worked. I delayed quite a bit to make everyone have accustomed to pink color in the map. Thank you for the game.
18 Apr 16 UTC	I'm sure it was difficult for Byz and Ukraine to move to stop Ireland while at the same time displaying and solidifying trust with Israel that he was not going to press the attack. This is further complicated by how difficult it can be to signal and defend at the same time, and moves are often misinterpreted. Continual reevaluation of global circumstances are necessary. Byz could easily have taken my move into Venice out of context and suicided into me as a result, but fortunately he recognized that I had been trying only to keep Ireland out of Venice and had no ill intent or desire to actually take Venice. In the same type of situation, I have had players attack. I don't have time at the moment to go back turn-by-turn, but I never had the sense that Israel was going to let up and join the cause to stop a solo. Given relative positioning, I think the onus was on Israel to signal very strongly that he wanted peace, followed by a move to help me shore up western Med defense and to help lock down the Volga/Siberia corner. Learning experience.
18 Apr 16 UTC	Well, to prevent Israel helped the cause, I made sure that I didn't seem too threatening for him like going to Indian Ocean immediately. I only went for Turkestan when I was only mere inches more to Solo. Of course not going all out on Muscovy area perhaps helped that a bit too. However, when I was attacking Spain but have not taken out Hungary yet, I was afraid of your intervention while my shield have not in place yet.
18 Apr 16 UTC	Byzantine, that's the problem with gunboat, there's no communication, and I have no idea if you not going for Jerusalem was just dumb on your part or a sign of peace, and being that I was being double teamed, I wasn't going to wait and see. Fact is though, you were expendable the entire game, Ukraine could have turned on you and I would have taken that as a sign of peace and could have worked with him after that, but because he continued to protect you, I never had the slightest inclination that either of you wanted peace. You didn't and couldn't contribute to the fight against Ireland, so Ukraine should have taken that initiative to turn on you if he wanted to save the game. Again, I apologize for nothing...just like the real Israel
18 Apr 16 UTC	you mean "no verbal communication". your assumption of me being dumb aside, i at times gave support to your units, despite you keeping up with your shit. no reaction. in gonboat games its usually i pretty clear sign. check the fucking orders when you are not sure what a unit did, that was cut. and i remember ukraine did the same a few times, too. I did fight at the front, despite probably having needed my unit against you. so i pretty much contributed more to the fight against england than you, jackass. and i also would have loved to send my fleets into the med, but you made it impossible. ukraine had no reason to attack me in lategame. i obviously fought for the common goal of stopping england. while you continued your feud against me. your priority setting was so fucking far off that ukraine had no reason to assume you have any concept of it - reason that is. the right course of action was to concentrate on defending against uk and force him into a draw. YOU blew it. no one expects you to apologize for anything, but everybody is aware you did a good deal of work for pinky here. i am really sorry about the misunderstanding with ukraine. otherwise i wouldnt have to fight a 2-front war against you and him for a while (hungary was also there, i think) and i could have wiped you off this map, sparing us that shit.
18 Apr 16 UTC	Israel, understand most of us aren't attacking you here, nor are we asking you to apologize. You played a good game, but we noted from your gameplay that you have things yet to learn. Thus we are trying to teach and give you tips and pointers. Gunboat is very subtle. Everyone who has commented on your game play including Ireland saw the same thing, that your fixation on Byzantine gave Ireland the opening he needed for the solo. Sometimes you can remove a nation behind the draw line, sometimes it is pointless. In almost all cases you must set up the draw and stop the solo first (which is far and away the best signal you can give to potential allies), then after the draw is assured you and other nations may choose to narrow the draw. Ukraine and Byzantine's little pokes and small assaults looked defensive in nature because you had never backed off. As stated earlier the onus here was on you to show you were joining the "stop the solo at all costs" bid. No need to apologize for something you haven't learned yet, rather recognize and understand the subtleties we are trying to point out and try to apply them to your next game.