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Anon (?? D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
North Sea Wars Gunboat WTA
We need a new Norse in the game. great position. arguably the best on the board. gameID=15355
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Aranith (1355 D)
24 Jun 13 UTC
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Won, but less points than 2nd placed
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=12198

Can anybody tell me why I got less points than the second placed player, although I won?
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Jimbozig (1179 D)
06 Aug 13 UTC
FoW Gunboat
Needing one more player for a WTA FOW gunboat. PM me for password.
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Halt (2077 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
1 v 1 Challenge
I have recently played with someone 1 v 1 who believes that in an FvA scenario, and given that Austria plays properly, France has zero chance of winning.
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Halt (2077 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC

I disagree in principle because there is rarely a single "best" move given a situation wherein someone is not completely lost. There are a set of likely moves that a person might make, and a set of counter moves to challenge that. It boils down to a matter of intuition of what you think your opponent might move. I am of the personal belief that a combination of psychology, statistics, game theory, and intuition can be used to predict move orders of other people (but that's a discussion for another day).

To prove my point, I am willing to play any 1 v1 game with any player, on any of the 1 v1 classic map (yes including playing Germany in a GvR). If there is a map in which, despite my best efforts, I am consistently unable to win, I will concede.

Who's up for it?
fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
GvR, Frankland vs Juggernaut and EvT are unblanced maps.

while the other two does require some guess work to win, EvT does have a set of moves which makes it impossible for Turkey to win.
fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
AvF and IvG are more or less balanced.
Decima Legio (1987 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
This is what we can read from the numbers gathered at Vdiplomacy.
The 1vs1 variants are ordered through the solos ratio, from the lowest to the highest:

1.03 , Duo, symmetrical variant
1.07 , Lepanto, symmetrical variant
1.18 , England over Turkey
1.34 , Confederacy over Union
1.39 , Austria over France
1.64 , FG over RT
1.77 , Germany over Italy
5.00 , Russia over Germany





here's the size of samples (game played):

327 Duo
83 Lepanto
751 E*vT
431 Emp1on1
962 FvA
512 FGvsRT
908 GvI
203 GvR
diatarn_iv (1458 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
The situation about GvR is even worse.
Some time ago I had a look at the database of finished GvR games, looking at whether I could get some clue from past german victories (I had just started a game as Germany). I couldn't get any, because german victories were always(?) related to NMRs or some other "bizarre" russian behaviour.
In my opinion, the variant ought to be re-balanced in some way (for example, by preventing the movement of A War in the first year).

Apart from that, I thought EvT was resonably balanced.. but if fasces349 is right, perhaps something should be done.
fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
Most of the problem in balances not being accurate is sample size and people not playing properly:

gameID=14881

I will be posting in global the orders I am giving prior to the turn happening, and I am still confident I will beat Halt in this game.
GOD (1830 D Mod (B))
18 Jun 13 UTC
id be in for it!
Raro (1449 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
I think the only truly unbalanced map is Ger vs. Rus, only because Russia is too hard to invade in the north and also gets the southern building zone.

In all the others, a player is always capable of winning as either country. As Halt said, once you are at a certain level, it is never about simply choosing the "correct" moves, it is about countering and defeating your opponent. This may not be the case for Eng vs. Tur, but I always thought that one was pointless anyway because you don't even fight your opponent, you simply race to 18 sc's. It is more an exercise in mobility.

The advantages that some of the countries have only runs as deep as they are recognizable. For instance, where Germany out-strengthens Italy, Italy can easily outflank Germany with good mobilization. While Austria has a stronger land-access to the Balkans and the west, France can mobilize the north as well as pin down Austria's naval output in the south. The imbalance of these maps only occurs when it is two average players playing without the foresight to grasp such tactical scenarios. This is not always the case, but often times it is, particularly with the imbalance of FvA, GvI, and FGvsRT which I believe are all well-balanced maps, (if you realize that each country must be played differently, and that you must recognize and counter your opponent's strategy).

I read a good player's quote on webdip the other day that struck me, it went something like this:
"If you know your enemy, and know yourself, you will never lose in 100 battles.
If you know yourself, but do not know your enemy, you will win 1 battle, and lose 1 battle
If you do not know yourself, nor do you know your enemy, then you'll never win."

I think this holds especially true for 1-on-1 games, validating the point that Halt was making.
Synapse (814 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
I'll play as Russia against Germany then (I'm not a very good player however)
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
In the France vs. Austria game, I'd throw a slight advantage to Austria, but it's still playable because of the multiple decisions taken at various points by both sides that can go either way. Several players in this community have specialized in these 1v1 games and know the various tricks and the tactical formulas that will succeed. Even so the FvA game can provide some challenge and fun.

The Italy vs. Germany game is not balanced at all. It's still fun to play, but Italy cannot win this game absent colossal failure by Germany. Citing statistics for past games ignores the fact that many Germany players have failed that badly. If I played Halt in 200 games of this variant, 100 as each nation. The score would be 100 to 100, with Germany winning all 200 games.
fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
"This may not be the case for Eng vs. Tur, but I always thought that one was pointless anyway because you don't even fight your opponent, you simply race to 18 sc's. It is more an exercise in mobility. "
This, this is why Eng v Turkey is the most unbalanced of the 1v1s, because its an exercise in mobility, England has an advantage because he can get units into Germany before Turkey can.
fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
@Ruffhaus: Devonian, the best 1v1 player on this site has a higher win rate as Italy then he does as Germany. And I don't mean he is playing against weak Germans, he has beaten players like Gauroz and Bozo as Italy. IvG is more balanced then you give credit for.
Raro (1449 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
disagree with Ruffhaus.

On the G vs. I map, I think the advantage goes to Italy. I used to contend that a smart player could never lose as Italy, but I wouldn't go that far now. However, I'd take Italy in that variant any day of the week.
Synapse (814 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=14882
fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
Well Halt won our Halt knows all my moves before I do them game. I'd like one more go at the him on EvT before moving to RvG, however some other time.
Halt (2077 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
Agreed. Good game fasces! I think I shall look into the map more to see if there is a way for Turkey to solo in normal games. The move order you've shown me is interesting that I think I can work out the general idea behind it.
Synapse (814 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
Wow I really don't think Germany stands any chance against Russia.
fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
I personally think the English opening to Holland is stronger then the opening to Norway (which is what I did in game with you), but President Eden thinks Norway is the better move.

I trusted Edens judgement because he is the better 1v1 player, but I'd like to try again either with a Norway opening and a smarter southern strategy or a Holland opening to see how that goes.

I don't think there is any way in a game with two competent players that Turkey can solo. I'd be happy to play a few test games with you, were I play England and you play Turkey and we agree to draw the game before one of us solos so that you can safely test various tactics.
Halt (2077 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
As much as it kills me to say it, I am forced to agree.
Synapse (814 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=14884
Dejan0707 (1986 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
"If you know your enemy, and know yourself, you will never lose in 100 battles.If you know yourself, but do not know your enemy, you will win 1 battle, and lose 1 battleIf you do not know yourself, nor do you know your enemy, then you'll never win." 

I believe this to be the qoute from Sun Tzu book called Art of War.
Synapse (814 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
Someone care to take part in an experiment?
gameID=14885

France and England working together against Turkey (No Stabbing!)
diatarn_iv (1458 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
Synapse, I might join.. but what's the point? I think E+F should easily defeat T, if they work together.
Perhaps Turkey can reach a stalemate line before being wiped out.. but I wouldn't bet on that
fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
England it stronger then Turkey alone in a 1v1, so why would the addition of France make it harder?
SandgooseXXI (1294 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
There's no way I can win, but hey, I need to play more games anyways.

I'll be stopped before even reaching boh or munich, there's no way.
E+F v T would be horrific. France and Turkey would run into each other around Vienna and Budapest, and Turkey would have to cede Russia to England to do even that.

EvFvT sounds horrific too.

And recently I've been favoring convoying to Holland, but I also have played England twice if that since my most recent return. Norway is probably still better simply because it keeps you from having to commit multiple fleets to the Atlantic in securing St. Petersburg.
fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
I favour Holland because then you have Germany guaranteed, and St Petes is guarenteed in the long run anyway.

fasces349 (1007 D)
18 Jun 13 UTC
That said in a real game I don't think it matters. England is favoured to win either way.

Just in a game where my opponent knows all my moves beforehand, I think the Holland opening would be slightly stronger.
gameID=14888

Let's see if this England can beat this Turkey while announcing his moves...
Never mind the comment, it'll be a normal game, I think.

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equator (1514 D)
02 Aug 13 UTC
searching games
how can I search a game using its name? is it possible?
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mfarb (1338 D)
16 May 13 UTC
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Anon WWIV game
I have been trying awfully hard to get a anon WWIV game started. For my third try, I shall start a forum to get at least 25-30 people committed. Post here with your commitment, the game will be anonymous random country assignment, so it shouldnt matter if anyone sees your name, but if you want to remain a little more anon, just PM me
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GabeLincoln (1088 D)
03 Aug 13 UTC
Bug: Support failed?
Hi, This is my first time reporting a bug, so I hope I'm doing it right.

http://www.vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=15218#gamePanel
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Elm (992 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
removing finished games?
Hi, sorry if this is a dumb question, but at my Home screen, it shows under My Games games that I have been defeated in. How do I remove these? Or officially leave a game if I am close to dying?

Thanks for helping a noob out!
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adalephat (733 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
a Pure game?
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=15371
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SlawDawg77 (1377 D)
31 Jul 13 UTC
Modern Diplomacy advise needed
I'm playing as Russia and was just betrayed by Ukraine. My forces are split between Scandinavia and Asia Minor/Middle East. Is my best move to move my forces in the Middle East back up to try to defend my center (which has one tank) or keep moving south into the Middle East against a weakened Turkey? I have 6 units in the area vs. 9 Ukraine, 5 Turkey and 4-5 potentially hostile Italian units.
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Ninjanrd (1248 D)
30 Jul 13 UTC
Aberration V Test Game
Inside for details.
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chris (589 D)
31 Jul 13 UTC
Please join this :)
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=15341
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Anon (?? D)
29 Jul 13 UTC
ONE MORE FOR WW2
We need one more player for this game :)

http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=15329
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Game needs to be canceled.
Sorry, I was teaching at this summer program and I got all my kids to sign up and start a game of diplomacy, but now it's over they've all basically dropped it, so we need to cancel the game if that's possible. I don't want to get a win on record by everyone CDing
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Gumers (1801 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
Bug in the elo Hof?
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/hof.php?gameID=14435.
In this game I´ve draw with spartan and get only 10pts qhile he got 15... bug?
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Chaqa (1586 D)
28 Jul 13 UTC
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A Look Back
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=2

There is no gameID=1, for whatever reason. I can't believe I was in the first recorded game. Look how far we've come.
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King Atom (1186 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
Well, It's Been A While Since I've Made A Map...
...But I have something for you all to look at...
http://forum.webdiplomacy.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=844&start=30#p5808
Now, I'll admit, it's a bit of a monster to look at, but that's why I'm asking for some opinions. Before you ask any questions about it, please read everything I stated in the post, so that I'm not repeating myself. Thanks...
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Anon (?? D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
colonial 1885
Anyone interested in a colonial 1885? If you are please join gameID=15259
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Lukas Podolski (1234 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
WorldDipCon and such
Does anyone know where every year's WorldDipCon is held? Is it always at the same place or is there a rotation?

Plus, are there any kind of DipCon held somewhere in Asia? Because from what I know and iirc, ManorCon and MidCon are held (mostly) in the UK ...
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kaner406 (2067 D Mod (B))
23 Jul 13 UTC
New variant test time:
http://lab.vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=86
http://lab.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=111
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Mapu (2086 D (B))
22 Jul 13 UTC
Cross-gaming on this site
It is against the rules but it's hard to prove. It's also rampant, ruins what could be good games, and is pretty much the baseline here. Perhaps more games should be anon. Regardless, I've had my fill of going up against it.
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pyrhos (1268 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
colonial 1885
I've made a colonial 1885 please join we need 8 more players. It's gameID=15287
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Decima Legio (1987 D)
15 Jul 13 UTC
24 players variant
Having a look at the Variants page, there’s a big dark hole from the 19 players Haven to the giant variants Chaos and WWIV, respectively 34 and 35 players.
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Alcuin (1454 D)
20 Jul 13 UTC
Draw at all costs or points?
gameID=13383

First of all, congratulations to Ruffhaus (Turkey) in winning this game. It's also interesting to see a game in which all of the global powers (Britain France and Holland, plus the biggest regional power (Russia) were defeated.
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mendax (1260 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
Conflict in the Rinascimento rules
http://vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=29

The text at the top states 33 SCs to win, the text lower gives a requirement of 30. Which is the case?
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Anon (?? D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
Chaos Gunboat
Anyone interested please join. gameID=15187. Seems like it will be a lot of fun and challenging. Not like your typical game.
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SandgooseXXI (1294 D)
17 Jul 13 UTC
Replacement Needed
gameID=14935

Italy CD, still has good enough position for you to take over.
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butterhead (1272 D)
16 Jul 13 UTC
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I need to step away...
Over the last couple of months, I have slowly been drifting away from Diplomacy. What used to be the excitement of coming online to see what has happened, has began do fade out. I realized that I have stopped thinking about the game with my head. That is why I must (temporarily) leave the game behind.
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King Atom (1186 D)
16 Jul 13 UTC
WebDip Has Surpassed This Site in Disappointment...
I see more CD's/NMR's on WebDip, I get much more frustrated with the range of talent between players on WebDip, and there's often even a language barrier when I play on WebDip.

Discuss.
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PlanetXXX13 (1198 D)
16 Jul 13 UTC
Anyone happy to play against my 11 year old son?
Thinking about a EvT game, just so he can get use to the movement first. It will be on my account, probably a 2 day turnaround. If someone else has son or daughter who would also like to learn, then we could pitch them against each other. Let me know and I'll set something up.
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