I would think it would be randomly assigned by a non-player, and you would only know the capital you had to take, not any other players target

...and then all the other players have to concede...why not, i am in

Personally I think that the targets should be known to all - it will make it much more tactical towards the end-game, and you won't have the constant concern that on the next round someone is going to get theirs without any warning. However, I am willing to go with the consensus.

We need 10 people (alternatively we could play with any other map that allows you to build in any vacant centre that you control, I'm not sure what the smallest number is). So far confirmed we have:

1) Myself
2) GOD (If that's not enough of a publicitiy boost, I don't know what is)

Argotitan and butterhead, are you in?

American Conflict is only 6 people (and build anywhere), but I personally believe that it is worth holding out for 10. Get signing up, people!

Sounds interseting! count me in.

My reasoning for the targets being secret is that it adds an extra level to the game. Your target(If it was classic map) Could be Germany as Austria. and you could ally up with the German planning to wait until he moved away and take the easy stab, only to find out that his target was in fact Moscow and you helped him take it. Meanwhile Targets being known to all will make it so people are only wanting to go after 2 people- those who they are attacking and those that are going after them... This may lead to a breakdown of alliances and result in a silent game. I will play either way, and will go with consensus vote, but that's just my 2 cents

1) Battalion
2) GOD
3) butterhead

4)Pyrhos

That sounds like fun

1) Battalion
2) GOD
3) butterhead
4)Pyrhos
5)SGsexxi

Count me in

1) battalion
2) GOD
3) butterhead
4) pyrhos
5) sandgoose
6) shep

Damnit shep, you ruined my name

I'm here too:
1) battalion
2) GOD
3) butterhead
4) pyrhos
5) sandgoose
6) shep
7) DD
My vote is towards the unknown targets. I completely agree with butterhead.

The problem with unknowns is it can get very unbalanced with some people having closer capitals than others.

You can also have situations where half the map just becomes completely irrelevant.
I mean if Britain draws Spain or Germany draws Russia, that doesn't really help.

I was already in on webdip and still in here if possible? Please? Thanks to me this has been taken to vdip.

Oh never mind you need 10 people :)
I'm in :)

You're definitely in. 2 more people, get involved while you can!

I continue to stand in the 'known capitals' court for a number of reasons:
- I think it is much more tactical (and less about simply lying - there will be more opportunities to stab people than normal anyway). It will make creating alliances much easier.
- We can ensure a fair game because everyone can agree that the capitals are as even as possible
- We don't need an extra person to organise it (and then double-check that someone claiming to have won is legitimate).

To me, it just seems like a better game to play and an easier game to organise. However, I suggest that once we reach the magic 10, we cast it to a vote.

Like risk cards capture 24 areas with 2 in each provence :)

I d like a feature to watch games that your not in... this sounds crazy but am not committed enough

Just my 0.02 here.

Your 2nd and 3rd reasons are kinda weak Battalion. An extra person to organize it takes only a few minutes. If asked now, someone could even take the time to figure out fair (or random if that's what people want) pairings now before the game is even filled! As for it being fair...that's debatable if that's what you even want.

Personally, I love the idea of random unknown pairings. Like butter said, it adds a whole new layer to the game. Instead of knowing that Britain is attacking France because it's his objective, one has to wonder if France is his objective...or if he's just trying to expand. It makes one extra careful about offering support, especially to an enemy capitol. We might find smaller powers surviving longer than they normally would becuase people are unsure if allowing them to die might end the game.

Example: If Britain has France and recruits Germany to help him, Germany might decide to support France in Paris instead of helping England kill him simply because he's not sure if Britain's target is France! OR, Germany might help England, but demand Paris himself in order to ensure that Britain can't end the game since Germany KNOWS that his target isn't France.

I think both ways add a complete new layer and both ways are arguable when it comes to being fair, and I agree it's arguable if fair is what you're looking for.

I also don't think an extra person needed to organise is a problem if needed. There are ways around that too though.

For now I don't think I care which way we go as long as we go :P

Also hold in mind that capitals are designated cities, not designated countries...

yes Steephie, that fact was obvious. I just used country names to make things easy. France obviously means Paris, Britain means London, etc.

I just don't see how knowing the targets adds a new layer. If anything, it makes the game LESS flexible and interesting. If I know Britains target is Paris and Russia's target is Constantinople, then as Germany, I can be much more confident in allying with them. Yes they could still attack me, but the liklihood of a joint attack by Britain and France is basically gone.

OK, this last bit of conversation has changed things from my perspective. When I originally named the game/thread 'Capture your Capital', I was using capital more as any SC (e.g. Edinburgh could be the target). However, the interpretation of this name has gifted an interesting alternative - that you literally have to capture a capital.

In the case of my original intent, I would argue that knowing the targets is better. However, if the targets are all literally capitals (rather than my original meaning), not knowing does indeed work better.

My final issue with getting someone else to organise the capitals is how do we know that we have someone who won't leak? Most people are trustworthy, of course, but there are more than a few that would help out a friend...

That's actually real simply Battalion. There's plenty of people on here, many of whom I am friendly with, who I would trust not to leak any information. I recommend Ruffhaus. He's quite the competitor and doing something like leaking information about capitols might actually make him physically sick because of how it would ruin the game.

OK. I'm fairly new (and have no friends!), so didn't have such a person. Could you PM him?

As for players, am I correct with the current line-up?
1) Battalion
2) GOD
3) butterhead
4) pyrhos
5) sandgoose
6) shep
7) DD
8) steephie22
9) drano019??

ONE MORE PLAYER NEEDED!

I'll play! My vote's for known targets

Indeed Battalion, the perspective changed, and I like the idea of winning by capturing your allocated capital city. As for randomization I vote in favour of it, as pre-allocation would ruin the unknown factor. :) Drano illustrated why it would be fun.
I believe we have all ten players, so here's the lineup and if we wish, we can make a voting on the unknown issue.
1) Battalion
2) GOD
3) butterhead
4) pyrhos
5) sandgoose
6) shep
7) DD
8) steephie22
9) drano019?
10) EmperorMaximus
Correct?

We need confirmation from drano019 (on both playing himself, and getting Ruffhaus to coordinate). Once we have confirmation, I shall set up the game with a password which can be PM'ed to you all. The coordinator will then send us all our targets and we'll be good to go. There's no reason for anonimity as far as I am concerned, and it will arguably make it more fun for it not to be if we ever want a re-match. However, as always I am open to others' opinions.

So we start voting now? I think I'll go for unknown the way things are shaping now, but are the capitals completely random? Just the 10 capitals in a hat, Ruffhaus (or who replaces Ruffhaus) drawing one for every country and then that's the goal for that player?

Or is that not the right assumption? It is still rather annoying I suppose if some people have their capital all the way across the map while others are nearly there already, but the game should be fun...

By the way, are we allowed to 'leak' our capitals (possibly lying then)? I suppose so?

And are draws allowed as usual?