Nah, you can have it B-RICH. To be honest, I should be focusing on school more but I'm looking for any excuse to be occupied with other stuff. When I think about it, you taking my spot is probably a blessing in disguise. Diplomacy can be a bit of a drug from time to time... Until you stop in the middle of a game, but then you ruin it for other people... Besides, I'm already in 2 games and that's enough for now, possibly a bit too much.

So take my spot so I can focus on upcoming tests! And have fun!

And now I can get a warm feeling from the inside!

That said I would still like my reservation for future games just in case :P Although I doubt I would ever let it come that far if I want to join, but maybe when I run out of games and focus on other stuff and don't check this site as often...

Oh well I suppose I'm not being too serious about that either, but I still want it :P

It's funny how conquering Europe can lead to a D on a western civ test, ain't it?

Although when studying Geography, it can be a valuable tool. I astound people with my knowledge of the locations of Chinese provinces.

Well to be honest I'm on quite a good roll right now, with a 8.9 average (out of 10, with 10 being best and 1 worst, I understand you have a different grade system over there, weherever that is...) and good grades keeping coming, but it's a bit too close; if something goes wrong for a day or two I could well end up on a bad roll because I'm working by the day right now. I just don't want to end up learning when I want to sleep once a week.

(Also I always either get really good grades or really bad grades, so just doing a bit less isn't a very viable option since then I would get really bad grades knowing me...)

I have no Geography though, I'm much more in the technical corner, with an extra subject, mostly because that leaves the most options open; I could have chosen anything really... But I can't choose what to do with my life later so I keep almost all options open...

Keep on joining people!

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and don't forget to vote! It seems we're doing the 1-4-5-3 breakdown, but it never hurts to voice your opinion!

I'll be reserve though.

Thanks steephie. I'm sorry that I missed this last part of the conversation, I have only just got home from work (giving up my position would probably have also been a blessing in disguise for me too!).

Haha, well now you're stuck to it lolz :P

Only missing four now. Looking at you butterhead, Erudite, Captainmeme, and Doublecaps!

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I suggest PM, although I should be learning now :)

Way ahead of ya :p

Wouldve been in sooner, had school all day and was with the girl tonight. oops :P

Austria was just eliminated in game 2, can we get confirmation on his role Ruffhaus?

I was a rebel in that game.

Is that how you want it played? I think it takes away from the suspense if you reveal player roles upon their death.

I was under the impression that was the rule we had all agreed to.

That's fine with me. I think it's a mistake that players will regret as the game goes on, but there's only one way to find out.

As the Austrian Kaiser in "The King Is Dead 2" has confessed on his death bed, papers located in Vienna confirm his active role in a rebellion against the king. Love live the King!

As that problem just occured in one of the games: if the king dies, but the traitor is certainly still alive, does the game continue until the traitor is dead?

"Objectives:

The King: Survive and kill all Rebels AND the Traitor
The Knights: Kill all Rebels AND the Traitor. Keep the King alive.
Rebels: Kill the King (without the only survivor being a Traitor).
Traitor: Death of ALL other players. Even other Traitors."

The rebels win if the king dies and the traitor is not the only surviving player. That means that for the traitor to win, the king can't be eliminated until after the rebels are eliminated.

I did say early on this seemed impossible for the traitor to win...

oooooh
then i got that a bit wrong

The unspecified implication is that the surviving rebels have to kill the traitor(s) as well. The game does not end if a traitor is still alive.

The wording of the Rebel victory conditions is such to explain that Rebels do not also "win" if the traitor wins (by eliminating everyone).

Also for reasons of intuitive deduction, the DRAW feature may not be used in these games to root out the traitor.

well thats how i interpreted it too

So... If it ends as a stalemate between the rebels and the traitor, the rebels win, yes? Because the traitor fails his objective to kill everyone?

I'd disagree with you there Ruffhaus. Why would that be the implication? The victory conditions for the Rebels are: Kill the King and have at least 1 rebel alive when that happens. I could see how in real life, obviously the rebels would have to root out the traitor and kill him too, but there is nothing in the VC's that says that, therefore we can NOT extrapolate out. If we extrapolate, it needs to be stated at the beginning of a game, not in the middle of the game when the Rebels might have put all their efforts into killing the King, and allowed the Traitor to grow.

Another issue with saying that the traitors can still win if they eliminate everyone else AFTER the king is dead is that you are strongly weighting the game against the King and Knights.

On a Classic map game, it'd be 3 rebels AND the traitor trying to kill off the Knights/King early. 4 v 3. And then all the traitor would have to do is play the rebels off against each other. It would make the traitors job actually quite easy since they could actually be a Rebel until AFTER the king is dead and only then would they have to start playing the Rebels off on each other. Even then, they'd never really have to expose themselves until there's only 2 players left.

The entire idea of the traitor is that they have to play off the Knights and Rebels against each other, by pretending to be on both sides essentially throughout the game. If we say they can just wait until after the King is dead and then eliminate everyone else, why would they even both pretending to be a knight? They'd just pretend to be Rebels so that the King would be eliminated since there are more rebels on the map than Knights always.