Once we have enough for an ER game, we could start it. And keep the thread up.

Then if we ever get enough for a DS game then you could use the same player list?

Yeah, total victory is not feasible, if the last game is any indication. People got bored before a single team was eliminated, and only one team still had all four members. A single player taking over the entire map is not something that people probably want to see...

If we are planning teams ahead of time, what would they be for each map?

btw I'm good with either map.

So we roughly have enough people for a game of ER, but I imagine some people on the list won't be able to join in the end. I agree with the idea of 60% as a victory condition, which on ER would still be a very large 185 SCs.

I think Butter is creating the teams

1. butterhead
2. Baron
3. Drano
4. Mouse
5. CYFI
6. Uber
7. Halt
8. Brian
9. St. John
10. Amby
11. erikip107
12. Macca573
13. ezpickins
14. kevdog8
15. Lightsong
16. Taishi Ci
17. ToxicYaken
18. lfischl
19. Victorius
20. Bsiper
21. Poolside
22. Rex
23. CBro27
24. BigOtto
25. bricknastyy
26. CommunistChicken
27. Deezee
28. ThePassiveCynic
29. CptMike?
30. christinaFeggy?
31. LexLuthor?
32. Brianthethompson?
33. AJManso4

So we have 33 for ER

I am not in...

1. butterhead
2. Baron
3. Drano
4. Mouse
5. CYFI
6. Uber
7. Halt
8. Brian
9. St. John
10. Amby
11. erikip107
12. Macca573
13. ezpickins
14. kevdog8
15. Lightsong
16. Taishi Ci
17. ToxicYaken
18. lfischl
19. Victorius
20. Bsiper
21. Poolside
22. Rex
23. CBro27
24. BigOtto
25. bricknastyy
26. CommunistChicken
27. Deezee
28. ThePassiveCynic
30. christinaFeggy?
31. LexLuthor?
32. Brianthethompson?
33. AJManso4

1. butterhead
2. Baron
3. Drano
4. Mouse
5. CYFI
6. Uber
7. Halt
8. Brian
9. St. John
10. Amby
11. erikip107
12. Macca573
13. ezpickins
14. kevdog8
15. Lightsong
16. Taishi Ci
17. ToxicYaken
18. lfischl
19. Victorius
20. Bsiper
21. Poolside
22. Rex
23. CBro27
24. BigOtto
25. bricknastyy
26. CommunistChicken
27. Deezee
28. ThePassiveCynic
30. christinaFeggy?
31. LexLuthor?
32. Brianthethompson?
33. AJManso4
34. Frozen Dog

I'm up for both

Happy to join ER or DS too -
1. butterhead
2. Baron
3. Drano
4. Mouse
5. CYFI
6. Uber
7. Halt
8. Brian
9. St. John
10. Amby
11. erikip107
12. Macca573
13. ezpickins
14. kevdog8
15. Lightsong
16. Taishi Ci
17. ToxicYaken
18. lfischl
19. Victorius
20. Bsiper
21. Poolside
22. Rex
23. CBro27
24. BigOtto
25. bricknastyy
26. CommunistChicken
27. Deezee
28. ThePassiveCynic
30. christinaFeggy?
31. LexLuthor?
32. Brianthethompson?
33. AJManso4
34. Frozen Dog
35. Olmageddon

So for the DS game we can just leave signups going and see if we ever get enough people for that.

For the ER game- I have planned teams of 3 out(12 teams total) but I am also going to come up with a plan for 9 teams of 4. please give me some feedback if youd rather 3 person or 4 person teams.

Personally I'd probably like to see the teams before deciding whether I like teams of 4 or teams of 3 better.

Yeah, what do your team plans look like?

Happy for either:

Happy to join ER or DS too -
1. butterhead
2. Baron
3. Drano
4. Mouse
5. CYFI
6. Uber
7. Halt
8. Brian
9. St. John
10. Amby
11. erikip107
12. Macca573
13. ezpickins
14. kevdog8
15. Lightsong
16. Taishi Ci
17. ToxicYaken
18. lfischl
19. Victorius
20. Bsiper
21. Poolside
22. Rex
23. CBro27
24. BigOtto
25. bricknastyy
26. CommunistChicken
27. Deezee
28. ThePassiveCynic
30. christinaFeggy?
31. LexLuthor?
32. Brianthethompson?
33. AJManso4
34. Frozen Dog
35. Olmageddon
36. pcrowther

Hey guys only 10 to go for a DS

I'm fine with either DS or ER.

^ As am I ^

Divided States!

Alright. so we have roughly 35 for ER right now, since we don't currently have a 29 on the list. So just 1 or 2 more people and that can start

Can someone remind me the different proposed team scenarios for ER vs DS?

Wouldn't necessarily be balanced, but could be fun (or serve as an interesting starting point) to do it based on colors... (maybe not for this game, but for another)

1. Castille/Scotland/Genoa/Bohemia (yellow/gold)
2. Portugal/Tunis/Ottomans/Novgorod (green)
3. Morocco/England/Demark/Poland (orange/red)
4. France/Bavaria/Sweden/Venice (blue)
5. Tlemcen/QQ/Milan/Norway (darker blue/purple)
6. Papacy/Mamluks/GH/Muscovy (tan)
7. LO/Lithuania/Naples/Burgundy (deep purple)
8. Hungary/Switzerland/Brandenburg/Aragon(Brown-ish)
9. Austria/TO/Savoy/Saxony(leftovers)

Again, not perfect even in color scheme, and there are definitely some powerhouse areas for several teams, but I don't think anyone is doomed from the start, and with known teams, a lot of power from having neighbors to begin (like england/scotland in the last game) diminishes because everybody knows it, and it could open some diplomatic complexities early on.

Dunno, could be interesting/fun.

Yeah, good idea, but I think we'd be better off with as fair teams as possible. Ultimately, we want the most pleasure for the most people. Utilitarianism.

Do we mean fair as in each player has equal chances? Or each team has equal chances?

I support that teams idea. I think it needs a few changes to be balanced, (ie: Muscovy and GH on the same team might screw over Lithuania) but I feel like at the very least we can use it as a starting point.

There are enough teams of each color area that we can easily mix some things up, have fair teams, and stick with the color idea. The only team that is tough to switch nations into is the green team.

I don't think we need to hew too closely to the color idea. It's a nice thematic thing, but I think making things relatively fun for the players (thus making sure they get a chance and don't just get destroyed) should be the prime directive. It still makes for a nice base format to tinker with tho

Agreed, @Halt. Color schemes could indeed be a framework to use but prioritizing equal chance in winning should be first and foremost. So, teams crossing color boundaries when necessary would be slightly annoying but it would likely be the most optimal for preventing artificial inequality.

My vote is against team colors being on, in favor of more balance. I think we can memorize the colors of our teammates

Hey guys, sorry I’ll post my team ideas for the ER game tomorrow(been a busy week)! I’m still working on the teams for a DS game because I want to make sure it’s balanced as best as possible, but those will be up asap

Agreed, balance is the most crucial.

So I've put up a list of the powers and their centers for reference:
5 CPs - Ottoman
4 CPs (condensed) - England, France, Sweden, Denmark, Mamluks, Castille, Hungary, Poland
4 CPs (spread out) - Venice, Lithuania, Genoa, Aragon, Papacy
3 CPs - Scotland, Norway, Novogord, Livonian Order, Great Horde, Muscovy, Qara-Qoyunlu, Tunis, Morocco, Tlemcen, Portugal, Burgundy, Teutonic Order, Austria, Brandenberg, Switzerland, Bavaria, Saxony, Savoy, Bohemia, Milan

4 CP condensed means their starting centers are relatively nearby. Spread out means at least 1 center is far apart. Classic example is France vs Milan. I have opted to put Lithuania as a spread out power instead of a condensed power as there were already 9 in the 5CP + 4CP (condensed) tier, and it strikes me as the weakest of those powers (based on centricity, ease of centralization, number of neighbors)