it didnt seem to work

you made a classic game, not classic VS...

You're right, it did not... I wonder why.

you have to make classicVS... you made a classic map

Yep. Now I see that.

It's in the middle of the list of variants on the "New game" page, when usually the variants are in order of date introduced.

Let's try that again!

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Another interesting possibility... It's a race to the middle, much like England versus Turkey. One nation has the power of production, the other of position. It's... France vs. Russia! France has immediate access to both England and the Mediterranean, but can that surmount Russia's initial supply center advantage? We shall see.

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Russia v Turkey should be a Russian victory every single time. If turkey tries to rush the Med, Russia gets Black Sea and harasses his home centers all game. If turkey defends Black Sea, he can't get to Tunis until 1903, by which time Russia has grabbed Norway, London, and probably Brest meaning he'll control MAO as well. Turkey has no chance.

Oops sorry, he'll have taken Sweden and Brest probably. Not London and Norway. Forgot its st pete sc, not nc. Duh.

Basically. France vs. Russia is a bit more of a toss up though, though I'd still bet on Russia.

The initial unit advantage means they can aim right at France's heart while France has to choose between self-defence and expansion. Unless maybe they could hold the stalemate on the third year a turn it into a naval battle. Even then, I don't like their odds.

@drano: agreed. It's not balanced at all. What's needed is a nation to temper Russia's expansion in the north. England maybe?

@Faux: Russia probably does have a better chance. If he rushes France, he could conceivably have three units bordering France's homeland in two years.

And France's naval dominance isn't supreme either. Unless France sends F Bre south immediately, Russia can pick up the Ionian in 1902 unopposed. Then France is screwed.

France may be able to balance that out by churning out northern fleets while holding on in the Med. After all, Russia can only send one fleet a year down there.