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gjdip (1503 D)
18 May 12 UTC
Non-anon anonymous game
How do you guys feel about people joining an anonymous game where they know each other outside of vdiplomacy.com and know that they're both in the same game?
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cypeg (2619 D)
16 May 12 UTC
what do you think about my status info? click my name!
I summed up my data because I find it frustrating when i try to see a player's stats. Say player X won 5 games. but he has 12 pages of data and in the end i find out that it was just 1v1!
wouldnt be easier to list players games and/or with links
Do you think that is a good feature to implement in this site (is it possible?)
ezpickins (1714 D)
16 May 12 UTC
But you only have like fifteen games, compared to some with many many games
cypeg (2619 D)
17 May 12 UTC
that is my point
Imagine when I want to research your games :) that is quite a hassle! A link to your victories should ease my research :)

Nice settings you got there ezpickins ;)
RoxArt (1732 D)
17 May 12 UTC
well then go research mine :p if you do send me a pm haha ;)
headward7 (981 D)
17 May 12 UTC
How about this formala as a summary of winningness?

w / (1/p1 + 1/p2 + 1/p3 ...)

Where w = # of wins, and p1 p2 etc. are the number of players in each of the games you've ever played. 1 = average or 'expected' number of wins. 2 = you win twice as often as expected by chance.

So if you played 6 classic games and one 1 of them, you'd have 1 / (1/7+1/7+1/7+1/7+1/7+1/7) = 7/6 = slightly better than average. If they were all 2-player games you'd have 1 / (.5*6) = 0.33 = significantly worse than average. Um, but yeah, a kindly coder would have to implement it for it to be much use.
cypeg (2619 D)
17 May 12 UTC
@headward7 not a bad idea!
@Roxart. scrolling 11 pages to locate and then look at the maps of your wins is taunting! :P But I have looked at your stats to be honest long time ago :)
Guaroz (2030 D (B))
18 May 12 UTC
@headward7: I like your idea for a formula as a summary of winningness and the "Victory-Weight" below it is smart and interesting. But I believe you should work on it a little longer and make it better. I've found 3 main flaws.

1 - Two or three players maps: quality of opponents and quality of diplomacy.
Quality of players is not an issue when we're talking about games with a lot of players, because you can assume that in a 35 or 15 or even only 6 players game you can find any kind of opponents. Things get different when we start talking about smaller maps and become almost paradoxal in 2-players maps. When you agree a 1v1, you usually know your opponent: it's not that random. So if you choose each time an opponent weak enough you can incredibly boost your ratio. I think that 2/3 of my wins are from 1v1 games, so I know what I'm saying.
Also, even if you usually don't choose your opponents and you let anyone join 1v1s you create, well... there's no diplomacy in 1v1s! You know who is your enemy, who will attack you and whom you need to attack: the other one. So, these games are basically worthless: they can prove something about your tactical skills and that's why many people (me included) like them, but they prove absolutely nothing about both your strategic and your diplomatic skills (that's one of the reasons why you can't bet more than 1 D on them). And a 3-players game is not much different.
Recap: your formula says that a win in 1v1 is worth 2/7 of a win in a Classic. And a 1v1v1 is 3/7. I'm saying that they're not even comparable. Or, if you ask me and I must answer, I'd say 1/100 for 1v1 and 1/40 for 1v1v1.

2 - Formula's results can be doped.
Let's consoder some examples:
a) (Yours) So if you played 6 classic games and won one 1 of them, you'd have 1 / (1/7+1/7+1/7+1/7+1/7+1/7) = 7/6 = 1.166 that you said being "slightly better than average".
b) Now say you played 6 1v1s and you won 4 of them: you'd have 4 / (.5*6) = 1.333 So who won 4 1v1s would be better than who won a Classic? Really?
c) Again 6 games, but this time it's 3 1v1s you won and 3 Classics you lost. You'd have:
3 / (.5*3 + 3/7) = 1.555 In comparison with "b", you've won 1 game less but you have a much better score because you lost Classics instead of 1v1s. Isn't it weird? +55% better than average?
d) Again 6 games, but this time it's 3 1v1s you won and 3 WWIVs you lost. You'd have:
3 / (.5*3 + 3/35) = 1.891 In comparison with "c", you've won the same games but you have an incredibly high ratio because of the games you lost!
What the conclusions? I don't want to say that anyone could purposely play some 1v1 against someone he's sure to beat and then play only Chaos or WWIV to keep his ratio high, but surely this formula (the way it is now) advantages 1v1 addict-players (like I am). Or it advantages players who like "extreme" maps (2-3 and 34-35 players) over those who usually play average maps (from 6 to 12 players). However, it brings weird results.

3 - Draws. What about the draws? IMO, a draw is a victory because nobody did better than you while some (or many) did worse. You may not agree with my assumption, but I'm sure you'd agree with this:
a) Player A played 6 classic games, won one of them and defeated in the rest;
b) Player B played 6 classic games and take part in a draw in all of them.
Wouldn't you consider player B almost a champion, while A could be whatever? Maybe A is a poor player who once just had the luck of a neighbour CDing at the right time?
So perhaps you should add something about draws into your formula or, at least, make up a summary formula for "drawingness" :-)

Again, headward7, the idea-base is very smart, but the formula needs a good fine tuning, IMHO.


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President Eden (1588 D)
18 May 12 UTC
Slightly embarrassing sitting situation
I volunteered to sit for another player because I thought my schedule was going to be pretty clear for the next several weeks. Then my parents surprised me with a vacation to Florida starting Sunday morning. I don't know if I'll have Internet access, so I'll need to find a sitter for a sitter...
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Catch23 (884 D)
17 May 12 UTC
Rinascimento Game?
Title tells it all....
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Nonevah (804 D)
17 May 12 UTC
Need a new powerful country
In the anon game http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=7857 Italy, once the most powerful country on the board (It had made a few too many enemies, though) CDed, changing the dynamics of the game greatly and giving Turkey a very unfair advantage. Anyone want to replace (I really ought to have made this before, but...)
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
16 May 12 UTC
Who is in Europe?
The net outflows from Greek banks went up yesterday by a factor of ten. Why is there money left in Greek banks? One would think that when one voted for default and devaluation that one would not then be suddenly surprised when one got it. And if one votes thusly, shouldn't one place a positive probability on default and devaluation? And shouldn't that realization cause one to transfer one's savings into German or Dutch banks?
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airborne (970 D)
08 May 12 UTC
New World Order
http://forum.webdiplomacy.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=672&p=4739#p4739
An Europe map based in 1880s before the Scramble for Africa and a little after the Russo-Turkish War and the Franco-Prussian War.
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Saving Pirate Ryan
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=8199

Anyone want to join?
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kaner406 (2061 D Mod (B))
12 May 12 UTC
WWIV - question
Can someone who is in a WWIV game please let me know what the territory btw HAR, SHE, KOR and NIN is?
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Sauron (1088 D)
17 May 12 UTC
ROLL UP, ROLL UP, WWIV game
It's not getting higher than 14 degrees, the sun is exercising it's prerogative to go away at length without request, and so inside is a good place at the moment - let's all enjoy it

gameID=8192
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WW4 Country give away.
I joined this game without realizing the turn length. Anyone want my spot pm me. I am Germany. http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=5580
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King Atom (1186 D)
13 May 12 UTC
Very Serious Thread Daily!
Brought to you by King Atom and Morgul Blades. Cut your victims clean with Morgul Blades!
But basically the purpose of this thread is very simple, I will provide a topic, and then discussion will begin. Each response is limited to 150 words, and discussion on any given topic will end at the end of the day.
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A 1000-year real-life classic diplomacy game
In time-lapse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoWtvpg77oE
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G (966 D)
13 May 12 UTC
(+1)
Great new variant idea
What if we made a variant, e-mail diplomacy? You would be able to communicate with any other player, all of the time, during any phase? I feel that this would revolutionize the game, introducing new depth to the cmmunication. What do you think?
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LakersFan (1373 D)
07 May 12 UTC
(+1)
Because there should always be a Haven game going...
gameID=7978 Please join up!
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Nemesis17 (1709 D)
16 May 12 UTC
12 hour phase classic diplomacy
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You know what would be a cool game feature?
If an eliminated, but reliable and quality player could grab a CD'd territory in the same game.

Keeps the game moving with someone who is already invested. Anyone know if this is possible? Anyone think this is a dumb idea? Why?
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johnmichael108 (986 D)
16 May 12 UTC
WTA, NMR-extend:1 turn / 1 time
what does that mean?
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hiporox (988 D)
16 May 12 UTC
Draws with concedes
Quote: "If we all vote draw and someone has a concede vote, I believe they don't get any on the pot, so just vote draw"
Is this correct?
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butterhead (1272 D)
14 May 12 UTC
Imperium Diplomacy Question:
On the Imperium Diplomacy map, if nobody gained a SC in the first year, everyone would lose all there units... so how would the game be decided?
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Jimbozig (1179 D)
07 May 12 UTC
"Left and Taken Over"
What does this mean? How can it exist in a two person game?
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Bad Jokes/memes thread.
I used to know better jokes... but then I took an arrow to the knee!
(essentially, trolls can troll here, people can mute it, and everyone is happy)
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cypeg (2619 D)
25 Apr 12 UTC
Nmr solution?
I know this has been discussed a lot but is there a way where a game won't proceed until a replacement is found. Steps have been made where one can transfer his game to someone else and kudos for that. But not all playerds do so or know so.
It is just that Im tired of working my ass off to kill good players and some amateur who got lucky to be in a region surrounded with more amateurs and nmr states to win the game without a sweat.
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Shep315 (1435 D)
09 May 12 UTC
Prestige- Redux
Its going to be a little while before I start up the Prestige Series again (recently we canceled the first round) So I decided to get the discussion going now about how to best going about restarting it when the time comes.

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Nemesis17 (1709 D)
14 May 12 UTC
just another original game anyone want to join?
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RoxArt (1732 D)
14 May 12 UTC
semi live 3 way game?
hi anyone online for a "live" 3 way (or bigger) game?
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kaner406 (2061 D Mod (B))
13 May 12 UTC
(+1)
OMG... I was over at webdip recently...
and damned if they only had 3 variants to play... I feel positively spoiled for choice...
love it over here!
+ I don't have to listen to the craziness of the forums over there.
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titop1988 (1022 D X)
14 May 12 UTC
new game colombia needed for start
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=8095&toggleMute=3&rand=48701#chatboxanchor
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titop1988 (1022 D X)
14 May 12 UTC
new game
please join http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=8095
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ezpickins (1714 D)
13 May 12 UTC
Known Battle EOG
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=5502&nocache=622
well played game by mr. L4P1D4
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