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Awesome2211 (789 D)
11 Feb 13 UTC
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The quest of mordor
We need 7 more people in this game so join?
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
09 Feb 13 UTC
China, land of confused children......discuss
So a friend of mine is having a birthday on Tuesday. On Sunday, it will be Chinese New Year. What must life be like for Chinese kids with birthdays over the last few weeks? I must admit my suspicion of any calender that yields a number of birthdays per year via a random stochastic process.
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Anon (?? D)
11 Feb 13 UTC
Colonial Game - 2 needed, 31 hours left
2 needed, 31 hours left

gameID=12331
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Anon (?? D)
09 Feb 13 UTC
Live Gunboat Games Advertized Here
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=12455
For all you who want to play but webdip is too slow.
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Synapse (814 D)
27 Jan 13 UTC
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WWII Variant (preview)***
Hi I'm working on a new variant for WWII, please let me know how the map is. Also I don't have any idea of php so please can you tell me how to 'run' diplomacy to test it out? Or can I just submit it to the mods?

http://s8.postimage.org/naslirmxw/preview.jpg
http://s2.postimage.org/ytigw1wso/preview2.jpg
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
07 Feb 13 UTC
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Australia, land of pussies.....discuss
Australia has now implemented a national policy barring children in public schools from having candles as part of birthday celebrations because of the germ spreading associated with blowing out said candles. Beyond the fascistic nanny state aspect of a Federal Government taking an interest in such matters at all, can any right thinking person take seriously a country that would empower such authorities?
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RoxArt (1732 D)
06 Feb 13 UTC
live game anyone?
anyone up?
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Triskelli (735 D)
01 Feb 13 UTC
New Variant under development!
Give opinions and feedback at http://forum.webdiplomacy.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=375
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Dharmy (956 D)
03 Dec 12 UTC
Viking Diplomacy has 26 SCs for Victory Conditons, TOO FEW!
26 of 87 SCs on Viking Map --> 26/87 = 0.29885...
18 of 34 SCs on Standard Map -> 18/34 = 0.52941...
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General Cool (978 D)
02 Feb 13 UTC
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Messed up variant?
So, out of four times playing the Classic Chaos variant, I have been Marseilles in three of them. What's up with that?
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Anon (?? D)
04 Feb 13 UTC
Lets try Live Imperial II
Do you have the time?
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12380
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Guaroz (2030 D (B))
02 Jan 13 UTC
Contract NON-Anon Gunboat VI
The purpose of this Special Rules Private game is to have an enjoyable old style (= non Anonymous) Gunboat game among gentlemen who have read, agreed, accepted each of the following rules and who promise to observe them carefully.
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Hollywood (1423 D)
04 Feb 13 UTC
Game of Thrones themed map?
I know we're doing a Lord of the Rings variant(I'm in a game on the lab vdip site) but how about a Game of Thrones map? That'd be pretty slick, could even make it into two different variants, one with only Westeros which would be more like Classic variant and one with the lands beyond the narrow sea which would be more like modern dip 2 or even imperial dip 2
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Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
17 Jan 13 UTC
Which era most deserves a variant that doesn't yet have one here?
Self-explanatory title. Personally, I think a "Colonization of North America" map might be interesting, with colonial England, France, Spain, Portugal, along with Native American empires and powers, like the Aztecs, Incans, Narragansetts, Pequots, &c. So far as I know, there's nothing like that up yet. What else would you like to see? Maybe we'll get some good ideas.
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Jimbozig (1179 D)
30 Jan 13 UTC
Succession EOG
Congrats to Decima a good win. A couple things I wanted to talk about including why everyone voted Draw so early and also how to form stalemates. gameID=11133
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Hominidae (726 D)
30 Jan 13 UTC
Join this Modern Diplomacy game!
I gave this game a 2-day start time by accident. We need six more people!
gameID=12223
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Mapu (2086 D (B))
26 Jan 13 UTC
World Game only needs a few more players
gameID=12086

Several good countries still available... Don't let it expire -- join now!
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GOD (1830 D Mod (B))
26 Jan 13 UTC
sitter needed!
i need a sitter for the first ten days of february...anyone want to sit my games meanwhile?
im mostly well positioned :)
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Anon (?? D)
23 Jan 13 UTC
New Fog game
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=12146
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Imagonnalose (992 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
Crowded Game interest
Hey guys, just looking around to see if there is any interest in a crowded variant game? I want it to be a tactical nightmare so it will be gunboat. But I would prefer it to be a fairly classy match. Since I can't claim to have the best RR in the world, I'd prefer you to at least match my RR. PM any interest. The game will be password protected.
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Strauss (863 D)
23 Jan 13 UTC
Fall America, 1 days, 12 hours /phase
Still need 3 players -> gameID=12105

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Anon (?? D)
22 Jan 13 UTC
Fog of War?
Anyone interested in a classic Fog of War game? Join in!

http://www.vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12114
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iLLuM (1569 D)
09 Jan 13 UTC
Ambition & Empire Variant
http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/a/ambitionandempire.htm

The special thing: There are neutrals and each major power has influence points to order the neutrals around.
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equator (1514 D)
20 Jan 13 UTC
what about music
examples of epic music I like to hear when playing dip:
O Fortuna-Carl Off
Duel of the Fates-John William
O Varium Fortune-Corvus Corax
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Anon (?? D)
19 Jan 13 UTC
Whoever is Mali in H. Rider Haggard's Prize
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=11412
You are a SOB for saving on a retreat phase for 7 days
I can't believe I joined this game I didn't notice the phase was 7 days, what a jerk. And worst part is there's no diplomacy because messages are disabled, if anyone else from the game reads this, attack Mali
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Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
18 Jan 13 UTC
Variant Possibility Question
I'm unfamiliar with coding, but I had a question. Would it be possible to have a variant with an "elective SC?" That is, a number of players vote on which power gains control of an unconquerable SC that can't be built in? Ideally, the list of electors would be limited and there'd be a way to determine how many votes they get, but right now, I'm curious about the general case. Thanks!
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Jimbozig (1179 D)
18 Jan 13 UTC
game needs players
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12034
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Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
Most Admired Historical Figure
Another topic I'm sure most people here will have strong opinions about. Have at it!
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Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
For me, it's, without a doubt, Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island and creator of the separation of church and state. He helped pass the fist anti-slavery laws in the US in 1652 (which, admittedly, were later repealed by jerks in Newport). He wrote the first English-Amerindian language dictionary. He originally came to America with the plan to convert the natives, but after learning about their culture, felt that to push his beliefs on them would be immoral, and refrained from doing so. He offered himself as a hostage to the local tribes during negotiations. To me, he's just an incredibly inspirational figure, all the more so because of the world in which he lived. While he was founding the first government with separation of church and state, Europeans were fighting their deadliest war yet over religion.
airborne (970 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
William Wallace
The Czech (1921 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
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Jesus. Over a Billion followers. Even the European ones who killed each other because they had the interpretation of the Bible "wrong".
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
While a great historical figure, I would not call Roger Williams the creator of 'separation of church and state', which is a concept not a law or a right. It is a good concept, but it's rather ironic how warped it's application has become. Wlliams and other Baptists of the 18th and early 19th century advocated separation form church and state for reasons based in religious freedom, but what's often lost as aethiests embrace that element is that the real reason for this were so that the state could not befoul the church *and* as Williams said, “Forced worship stinks in the nostrils of God.”
Alcuin (1454 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
If you're looking for the one with the most followers, then clearly it's Abraham, father of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Manichaeism, Satanism, Gnosticism as well as various syncretistic religions that take elements from those six without strictly fitting into them (eg. Cao Dai, Santeria [aka 'voodoo', Mormonism, Children of God, and Aum Shinrikyu).

But if we're talking about the ones I (or other commentators) personally admire the most, there's something of a list:

(Temujin) Genghis Khan - took over his father's tribe at age 17, took 26 years to conquer the rest of the Mongol tribes and then knew what to do with them so that in the next 20 years of his life, he conquered one of the largest land empires ever and not - like Alexander - by taking over existing Empires, Temujin started from scratch in some areas;
Nikola Tesla - For the sheer inventive drive that enabled him to patent in the nineteenth century, inventions some of which would still be seen as science fiction in the twenty-first;
Sibelius - a great composer who, once he had persuaded the Finnish government to pay him a pension to allow him to compose as he wished, never wrote another note.

Catherine the Great - born a princess in an impoverished royal house in Germany, she became Tsara, not by accident of birth but by her own actions and those of the people she employed for that purpose.

Aimee du Becq de Rivery - born in Saint Domingue (now Haiti) a girlhood friend of Josephine du Beauharnais (Napoleon Bonaparte's Josephine), she was captured by Corsairs when crossing to Europe and sold into slavery. Although legally she remained a slave throughout the rest of her life, she became de facto ruler of the Ottoman Empire, which seems pretty good going to me.
bluecthulhu (1815 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
Alan Turing - The grandfather of modern computer science, artificial intelligence, and destroyer of Nazi crypto.
bluecthulhu (1815 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
His influence? How many of you are using a computer?
equator (1514 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
Among others, Leonhard Euler (you asked for admired ones, not influential ones)
G-Man (2466 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
Jacques Cousteau - Naval officer, explorer, conservationist, filmmaker, innovator, scientist, photographer, author, and researcher who studied the sea and all forms of life in water. He co-developed the Aqua-Lung, pioneered marine conservation, and was a member of the Académie française.
Dejan0707 (1986 D)
05 Jan 13 UTC
For me it is Hannibal Barca...committed his life to one goal, did extraordinary things than none done before him, never stop trying even when everything was against him. Its rare in this days to see such characteristics among leaders.
General Cool (978 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
Epicurus, he's a cool guy...
General Cool (978 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
And he isn't religious so nobody can get worked up about it!
Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
If only Epicurus were religious. I feel he'd be a better prophet than those that "made it."
Hollywood (1423 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
Chris Jericho. The Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla
Hollywood (1423 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
And first ever undisputed champion
fasces349 (1007 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
I would agree with most of wha Alcuin said except for Telsa. His works have been greatly exaggerated over the years, especially by The Oatmeal.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
George Washington. Hands down the most admirable figure in United States history, and truly the father of our nation. His list of accomplishments talents are too numerous too list, but perhaps the greates among them was his humility. He was so loved as a leader that he could have been a king, but selfless love of county allowed him to look beyond his own personal glory to the greater good of the fledging republic and set the foundation for the nation that would save the world from Nazism, Communism, and Islamic terrorism.
equator (1514 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
Among U.S. leaders I'd prefer Lincoln, interesting guy.
cypeg (2619 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
Elvis Presley...nah just joking!

I think Genghis Khan is at a similar level with Philip, Alexander's father. Was the third son, and not the immediate successor. When he took the throne, MAcedonia was a clientele state of many regional powers. With astounding diplomacy he outsmarted all his opponents, untangled himself from their grasp and formed the most powerful city-state of the time,
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
Lincoln was a tyrant. Brilliant guy, but extremely overrated as a president, and heavily credited with things that he did not accomplish. He's rather a pardox though as a leader. His unconstitional actions are on one hand criminal, and yet through his brilliance and force of will they reuinfied the nation, albeit at the coast of 700,000 lives.
bluecthulhu (1815 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
Abraham Lincoln Quote:

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

Source:

Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)

Screw Lincoln.
General Cool (978 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
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You can't just say "screw Lincoln", he was a product of his time, a time that accepted slavery as the norm. Don't put historical things into modern perspective, see it from his eyes. Also, during the course of the war, from 1858-1865, Lincoln's views changed greatly. During the end of his first term, he was even thinking about giving freed slaves the right to vote, which happened 5 years later. He was a good man, even if the events of the war were not fully under his control, and he did get a bit lucky.
General Cool (978 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Also, at that point in his political career, he was not for abolishing slavery, merely containing it to the states and territories that it was already in. The abolition part was needed during the civil war to give the Union a real cause for fighting.
bluecthulhu (1815 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Sorry, but I never accepted "product of his time" as a justifiable response. The really good ones can stand above the idiocy of the norm. Maybe he had a grand transition from racist to noble, but I always saw it as the opportunism of a politician.
fasces349 (1007 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
not trying to be racist but I actually agree with Lincoln there.

If you remove the racist component of Lincolns speech (which was a product of his time given that the was in a party that was founded to give African-Americans equal rights, Lincoln won because unlike his predecessor, he was able to branch out to the more liberal voters of the Democratic party. What he says in his speeches, or in this case a debate, wont necessarily be what he believes. Just look to Romney if you don't believe me) then I 100% agree with Lincoln.

I don't think people are equal:
"All men are not created equal. Some are born smarter, some with greater beauty, some are born strong, while some are born into poverty and others sick and feeble. Both in birth and upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different... This is why there is struggle, competition and the unfaltering march of progress. Inequality is not evil, equality is."
-Charles zi Britannia (Code Geass, Season 1 episode 6)

Where I agree with both Charles and Lincoln is that while all men are not equal, they should be under the law.

Just because I am smarter, stronger, faster, better looking and richer then you (not saying I am, but just in general), it does not mean I should get special privaleges under the law. This is what Lincoln was saying, unlike me, he applied this to race.

Just because whites are usually smarter then negros doesn't mean we should treat them better is what he is saying.

At the time it was accepted by everyone that caucasians were smarter. I agree with lincoln on the grounds that the law should treat everyone the same.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
It's pretty hypocritical of people to give Lincoln a pass on the above mentioned words from 1858, and then refer to southerners as a lot of racists. The fact is that the entire world including blacks themselves thought of themselves as lesser. The fact is that african blacks sold their people into slavery. There's plenty of wrong to go around when we apply today's standard to the 1800s. And this returns me to the point I make on Lincoln where he chief accepted accomplishment by most is 'freeing the slaves', something that he did not actually do. The Emancipation Proclaimation ONLY freed slaves in the states under rebellion. Slaves in Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware were NOT freed untill the 16th ammendment was passed after the civil war, and Lincoln's death. Since the Confederates States of America legally seceeded and formed their own nation, President Lincoln had no authority over them.

The cause that the North/Union fought for had nothing to do with abolishing slavery. It had to do with preserving the union and the abundance of federal tax revenues lost to 13 states leaving it. It's all very noble to suggest that a war was fought to free black slaves, but it's just not true.
fasces349 (1007 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
You have your history slightly mixed up. The emancipation proclamation outlawed slavery in the confederate states.

the 13th amendmant, passed by Lincoln 2 years later outlawed slavery in all states
airborne (970 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Yup, Lincoln was worried about the Constitutional interpretation of the emancipation proclamation. With applying it only to the CSA, he could argue that this action was hurting the enemy war effort thus legal as Commander-in-Chief. This also dodged the tricky question of border states that technically were part of the Union but had slaves.
G-Man (2466 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
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Mahatma Gandhi - Preeminent leader of Indian nationalism in British-ruled India. Employing non-violent civil disobedience, Gandhi led India to independence and inspired movements for non-violence, civil rights and freedom across the world. The son of a senior government official, Gandhi was born and raised in a Hindu Bania community in coastal Gujarat, and trained in law in London. Gandhi became famous by fighting for the civil rights of Muslim and Hindu Indians in South Africa, using new techniques of non-violent civil disobedience that he developed. Returning to India in 1915, he set about organising peasants to protest excessive land-taxes. A lifelong opponent of "communalism" (i.e. basing politics on religion) he reached out widely to all religious groups. He became a leader of Muslims protesting the declining status of the Caliphate. Assuming leadership of the Indian National Congress in 1921, Gandhi led nationwide campaigns for easing poverty, expanding women's rights, building religious and ethnic amity, ending untouchability, increasing economic self-reliance, and above all for achieving Swaraj—the independence of India from British domination.

Gandhi led Indians in protesting the national salt tax with the 400 km (250 mi) Dandi Salt March in 1930, and later in demanding the British to immediately Quit India in 1942, during World War II. He was imprisoned for that and for numerous other political offenses over the years. Gandhi sought to practice non-violence and truth in all situations, and advocated that others do the same. He saw the villages as the core of the true India and promoted self-sufficiency; he did not support the industrialization programs of his disciple Jawaharlal Nehru. He lived modestly in a self-sufficient residential community and wore the traditional Indian dhoti and shawl, woven with yarn he had hand spun on a charkha. His chief political enemy in Britain was Winston Churchill, who ridiculed him as a "half-naked fakir." He was a dedicated vegetarian, and undertook long fasts as means of both self-purification and political mobilization.

In his last year, unhappy at the partition of India, Gandhi worked to stop the carnage between Muslims and Hindus and Sikhs that raged in the border area between India and Pakistan. He was assassinated on 30 January 1948 by a Hindu nationalist who thought Gandhi was too sympathetic to India's Muslims. 30 January is observed as Martyrs' Day in India. The honorific Mahatma ("Great Soul"), was applied to him by 1914.[6] In India he was also called Bapu ("Father"). He is known in India as the Father of the Nation; his birthday, 2 October, is commemorated there as Gandhi Jayanti, a national holiday, and world-wide as the International Day of Non-Violence. Gandhi's philosophy was not theoretical but one of pragmatism, that is, practicing his principles in real time. Asked to give a message to the people, he would respond, "My life is my message."
Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
@RUFFHAUS, I think it's a matter of degree. No one argues that Lincoln was 100% not racist, but he was doing a lot better than the people committing treason in order to continue enslaving human beings.

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kikker82 (1102 D)
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Buggy Virus (1287 D)
14 Jan 13 UTC
Ultra High Unit Games/Variants
Derp-Summary message for long dumb post.
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