Very interesting. To what extent would twisting the truth be allowed? Public press?

not public press, just whatever comes out of your mouth has to be the truth. Other then that standard diploamcy rules apply

This would be so hard to umpire. But it is great in principle.

agreed, if you come up with regulations and rules as well as a way to enforce them, I'll be interested.

I think it would be a good exercise in being vague on not promising much. Have to be really careful about what you say.

Could be especially good if you could play on fog of war

fog of war it is.

Like all the games I create like this with certain rule changes (most of them have been on fb diplomacy) it is entirely user enforced. When you sign up, you agree to play with the rules set out from the beginning, and the only punishment is the dent in your honor.

so by signing up, you agree that you will not lie during the course of the game.

I love the idea. It would help everyone involved in future games of Dip where lying WAS allowed since we'd have practice bending the truth but not quite lying.

However, I think FoW isn't a good idea for this one. While we would all have to agree not to lie, there'd be no way to hold anyone to that. What if Italy talks to England and England says he's going to open to EC but doesn't. Italy doesn't know for sure what happened, and England could always deny he said that to Italy. At least without FoW, Italy would see for certain that England lied and could out him.

I sign up now.

I think FOW would be good if you had a legitimate way to enforce things in a hard and fast way. I agree with drano that it would be hard to go honour code on it.

It has worked in the past, of the 6 games played like this (rule changes on honor), 5 of them the players did follow the rules, and the 6th the mistake was done by accident, by me (I accidentally moved to Piedmont when I was suppose to move to Burgundy)

I think that FoW will be bad for this first time, but maybe for the second one after we know the players are trust worthy.

I'll sign up. if not FOW, then what map.

Sure, I'd be very interested. Would it be somewhat like a war declaration match where if you're going to attack someone you have to say so? Or would it just be that you wouldn't be allowed to tell anyone anything that's not true? What about breaking alliances?

So should we play a good ol classic game for this?

You can't tell anyone anything thats not true.
If you tell someone your going to do something, and then change your mind, you have to tell them. You don't have to announce that your attacking them, you just have to bend the truth.

People so far:
Fasces
Butterhead
Graeme01
Jimbozig
Diplomat
TT612

If you are on this list and backing out, please say so. If not we have the necessary members and I could create the game.

Drano was suppose to be on that list and not included.

I'm in.

Of course it would have to be a low buy in.

So now we have 8? That knocks out classic.

If you want more than a five buy in I understand.

What if you tell him that you are going to attack him just 5 minutes before the phase ends? That would not be against the rules, but it is not the intention of your idea, I think.

you don't have to tell them that your going to attack them, unless you told them earlier in the turn that you weren't.

However you have to post that you change your plans as soon as you can, otherwise its more or less cheating as you are lying to them for a bit.

as for the map, sengoku is 8 player

Isn't the idea you can't change your mind? I mean, you can't say "I won't attack you in the first three years" and then say in 1902 - "Sorry, I've changed my mind." That is normal diplomacy.

Say you're discussing moves and you say "i will move to Munich". But then you get some intel and realize the move would fail, so you you can go to England and say "got some new intel, do I have permission to redact my previous statement"

I'm not sure I really want to play this game if it is not the classic map of some kind. So I may opt out.

if you play it's Japan, if you don't, then it goes back to Classic?
strange little paradox you have there :P

I too would like to join!

total is back to 8 if Jim is leaving