I always finalized unless I NMR I only save when my internet is crappy and might loose the result.

There is few strong reasons why not finalizing is good thing to do:

When you finalize and negotiations with your allies are in progress, they might think you are decided already what to do and negotiations could be fruitless. On the other hand if you are not finalized even if you decided what you will do (and will not change your opinion) you have larger diplomatic area to pursue your goals by using press to make your allies do what you want them and not show firm unwillingness to do some concessions for them too.

Many times last minute press and informations I got from it makes all the difference and changed orders makes me win some situation I would lose if I have finalized.

I love slow paces games and much press so I use every time evaluable to negotiate deals with other players. If everyone finalize all the time game would be fast paced one and usually of less quality. Longer phases are generally sign of better quality games.

Not finalizing is great tool. The one who have problem with it could just play games with shorter phases. When I join game I have committed myself to a game that will be played for maybe 2 months so it makes no difference if it take two or three days longer.

@ kaner406. Are you talking about "cannonfodder5"? He never finalizes. Even in a gunboat when he's the last one to put orders in, the others have all put their orders in and finalized, there are 36 hrs left...he logs in, saves, but doesn't finalize. Not then, not in the following 36 hrs. So I don't think he's looking for a better move....
This is very annonying although I think it's legal. But the point is another: he doesn't play to win. Look at this: gameID=2420. He never tried to grab a SC or to do something to fight me. He just ruined the game letting me to have an easy win (and never finalizing). His neighbours are lucky having him into the game. This is an unfair advantage they have, I think.
I suspect he's in some other anonymous gunboat I'm playing. Somebody not doing anything to win and never finalizing.

@Dejan0707. Yeah SOMETIMES I don't finalize for some of the good reasons you said. And sometime I don't finalize a gunboat to slow it down for the Weekend, when I'm out. But find me a good reason to NEVER finalize in a gunboat. Never. Never. Never.
But, mainly, please find me a good reason to play without trying to win.

I have no issue with saving in press games. Gunboats however there is no need for it,especially in build and retreat phases.

retreat options, when there is only 1 place to got, and build options when there is 1 place to disband/build is annoying when a player only saves.

And I agree with finalizing makes it harder to contact allies, thats why I never input orders until I have confirmed what all my allies are doing.

I NMR all lot because of this.

Even then, i sometimes have saved and not finalised in a retreat with just 1 option, but to slow it for the weekend, as said above. There can be plenty of reasons, both personal and in-game.
For example, i'm now in a week-per-phase game, where a guay already complained about the slow pace of the game in the second day of the year 1. If you enter a 1day or 1week game, you know what you are up to. If you want a faster game, go live, or 8hours per phase... These are the rules that abide here, and evethough sometimes it can be annoying, this is the life

I agree with you Daiichi. And the guy in your game should not complain since he knew what he was up to. But the topic is "always save and never finalise" - that some player in this site does.
I'm in a 5days/phase Gunboat game with a player that ALWAYS do this: he waits the first day when everybody finalize, then he logs in and saves. We have to wait 4 days because he didn't finalize. ALWAYS. He's always the last one! He's clearly doing it only to disappoint us. Further, from the very start, he never played to win, he's throwing his SCs to his neighbours....he joined the game only to disappoint us!
I think. Or can you explain this?

thats why I like 24 hour games, slow enough to avoid frustration and be able to talk to people, but fast enough that no one gets agitated about the pace, not finalizing is good when dealing with allies, especially with prospects at the very beginning, finalize too fast and they think you already have a plan, unless the first turn is a build

Guaroz, the situation you describe is true. If so, kick that one's butt, cancel the game, create a new one with a password, and find one more player to replace the jerk. In any case, trowing a game and not finalising are very different things. The first of them is much more serious, and game-wrecking, than the second. The second one only slows down the game.

@Guaroz, Why would you join a 5 day turn Gunboat game?

I agree that there is little reason not to finalize in a Gunboat game except to cheese off your opponents. There are LOTS of reasons not to finalize in a Wilsonian or regular game. I always assume that the given period of play is how long it's going to take each turn, whether it's 12 hours or 5 days. I'm almost never disappointed in that expectation. This is especially true in variants with lots of players.

@ironic hehe you're right. I noticed it was 5days only after I joined. Not a big issue I thought. The game lenght would have been 1/5 if there was not THAT player who NEVER finalizes....

@ Daiichi
A = Never finalizes in Gunboat = annoying but not illegal
B = Throws the game = unfair advantage for his neighbours
C = He (obviousely) didn't vote for "cancel"
A + B + C = CATASTROPHE

@guaroz: I said: "take him out, then cancel"

I sometimes save because i just don't want to go on every day.
With saving sometimes i can go on one time every day and that's it.
Also, especially on weekends, i can't go on, so i save and don't miss a phase.