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Enriador (1507 D)
20 Jul 18 UTC
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[New Variant] Edwardian 3rd Edition
An updated version of 'Edwardian' is coming to vDiplomacy! Check it out: https://vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=130
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The Ambassador (1948 D (B))
27 Aug 18 UTC
Amby needs a sitter
Hi folks - I'll be away from Saturday in zero cell phone service land and need a sitter to cover me for approx 5-6 days. PM me if you're interested. I have 4 active games and waiting for 2 KW901 tourney games to start.
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mfontecilla (1100 D)
23 Aug 18 UTC
"An invalid aniti-script code was given, please try again"?
A friend of mine is trying to create an account and he is receiving "An invalid anti-script code was given, please try again" text, how do we fix it?
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Anon (?? D)
21 Aug 18 UTC
Pick up a game as the world leader
Someone really should pick up Pennsylvania in this one: https://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=33789 He's only the world leader on the map - talk about picking up a nice CD position.
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tassa (2177 D)
18 Aug 18 UTC
Interactive Map - Memory-easting Monster
Is it possible that the interactive map doesn't handle big maps well once you have a certain amount of units?
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tobi1 (1997 D Mod (S))
18 Aug 18 UTC
Sitter needed
I am traveling from August 20th to 30th and it turned out that my initially planned sitter takes part in one game, as well. Now I need your help to manage that game.
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d-ice (1969 D)
17 Aug 18 UTC
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FoW padlocks
FoW variant has padlocks on all powers that have orders to give. This gives other players information about who has a retreat/build etc. I propose that these are removed so that this information isn’t revealed.
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Anon (?? D)
17 Aug 18 UTC
Quick Rules Question
In Classic, I am confident if an army in Portugal Attacks Spain while an Army in Spain attacks Portugal, both will fail. Would this rule still apply if the it were instead a fleet on the northern coast attacking Portugal and a fleet in Portugal moving to the southern coast?

Random Game link for Anon: gameID=35642
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Docsy (981 D)
13 Aug 18 UTC
Our game bugged out, and mods are looking at it. What do we do and what will happen?
So basically, We were playing World War IV 6.2. It was the first time we got our community of players, both on a subreddit and a discord, to play a big 36 player game. Didn't start 100% the best the first year, some players didn't get the rules and ended up starting with 2 units instead of 3.
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Strider (1604 D)
09 Aug 18 UTC
Civil Disorders listed at bottom of game
I have a game that is telling me the country, it's size and who is CDing. Why is that a thing now? It's gunboat, fog of war and anonymous!
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kaner406 (2103 D Mod (B))
10 Aug 18 UTC
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Forum etiquette
Let’s have a discussion here about what sort of forum we would like to see here at vDip. Please no name calling. Now would be a good time to un-mute members so we can have an informed discussion about this issue.
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Skyrock (1149 D)
03 Jun 18 UTC
Thoughts on fixing the Classic - Economic variant
See main post below.
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badivan1 (1661 D)
11 Aug 18 UTC
badivan1 new games thread
looking for opponents for the following 1v1 maps:
Fall of the American Empire: Civil War! : https://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35667 ;
Cold War : https://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35668
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CptMike (1575 D)
11 Aug 18 UTC
Cold war map
I have a interface problem...
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
07 Aug 18 UTC
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La Resistance
Has anybody noticed the behavior of Enriador recently? He seems to be rejecting and muting anyone with conflicting ideas. (See Classic Redrawn)
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GOD (1791 D Mod (B))
04 Aug 18 UTC
Live Messaging
A friend of mine and me would like to play a game of diplomacy where all player connect on Facebook or WhatsApp to communicate. We would set up a gunboat game here and then it's a regular game, just by different means of communication. Anyone interested?
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Enriador (1507 D)
16 May 18 UTC
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Classic Redrawn
I got bothered with some of the historical inaccuracies of the Classic map - like French Corsica being painted Italian green - so I went on and redrawed the entire map.
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Leif_Syverson (1626 D Mod)
26 Jul 18 UTC
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Enriador:

Some users of this community use their replies to belittle people they disagree with. For instance, YCHTT resorts to personal assaults frequently in arguments. To his loss, he undermines his often valid points so that his listeners choose to ignore him. To his credit though, he is not shy in pointing out things that often should be pointed out. This kind of approach is calculated to elicit an emotional response (to various ends, to which I won't claim to know YCHTTs), and that emotion often clouds the opponent's judgement. I don't care for such an approach and find it distasteful. As such, let me rationally and respectfully point out something that you might not be seeing and attempt to explain myself further:

">validate your bias as having greater validity that any opposing viewpoint.<

This is a false statement @Leif. I believe both viewpoints are equally valid, and you can see the proof of it with your own eyes (I made icons for both viewpoints). Not sure why you ignored this fact."

You selectively picked out a portion of my comment. I began with "It almost sounds to me as if you wish to.." Because I am expressing an impression I have when I read your statement, it is not possible to categorize what I said as true or false, it is subjective, my viewpoint.

Let me explain further why I have that impression. How many times have you stated that you disagree with people who have different aesthetic tastes than you do in this thread? I also observe that you make an express effort to publicly thank those who support your aesthetic preferences. Why do you feel the need to do so? To clarify, it appears to me by these repeat assertions, that you feel threatened if someone disagrees with your aesthetic tastes and you are compelled to assert your belief in your own tastes. You have no need to feel threatened. They are your tastes.

"I have the right to disagree that the abstract icons are aesthetically "acceptable" - I think they do look great. Sorry, that's my (subjective) opinion and you won't change it. =)"

No one is trying to change your opinion that you find it aesthetically "acceptable". Again, the appearance is that you are feeling threatened because vocal opponents have a different aesthetic taste than you. The counsel given to you by those who hold a different viewpoint than you (again whether respectfully or disrespectfully) is that you think about whether people actually like what you are proposing the community at large adopt for icons rather than argue over agreeing or disagreeing about who does and doesn't find something aesthetically "acceptable" and then take offense (at real insults, or perceived) to justify writing off opposing viewpoints. The community has been responding rather negatively to this approach, and that is why I sought to counsel you about why you have received the negative responses.

"I don't have to accept anyone's advice."

Keep in mind, it is generally a good idea if to accept advice if one is proposing changing something subjective within a community. The perception of the community when you use defensive language as "I don't have to accept anyone's advice," and "I have the right to disagree," for a topic that is clearly subject to opinion and on a subject about changing what the community uses, is that you are trying to influence public opinion to your aesthetic preference, and those who disagree are naturally going to respond negatively. If someone proposes change in spite of individuals who disagree with them AND they are actively silencing opposing arguments (again regardless of whether such arguments are respectful or disrespectful) they become the aggressor.

When you have been called you out, you tend to play the victim card as a weapon to silence opposition. You have done that (rightly or wrongly) to those who choose to disrespect you while they call you out, but you also seem to tend that way even those who try to respectfully call you on it, and that is where I take issue with your approach and shift my my own attention away from your intended purpose of discussing and changing map and unit historical inaccuracies.

I bring this final thought to your attention and to the community's attention. Our American political system (both sides), and American media (again both sides) are driving a wedge between people by featuring the extremes of opposing viewpoints and polarizing issues through use the victim card and personal attacks. I don't believe this is limited to America, but what is happening here is prominent on the world stage. Those tactics have unfortunately become a staple of American (and world?) culture as recent (and not-so-recent) generations have consciously or subconsciously copied their examples, and that saddens me deeply. We are doing this over an aesthetic argument about a game. Rise above the petty as Martin Luther King Jr. did in his approach to the racial injustice, elevate your discourse to find the common ground, and then approach the issue, whether it be this stupid one about what is my longest standing hobby, and for which I am spending my time diving into this topic because I care about this game (probably too much), or whether it be issues of greater import in our world today.
Enriador (1507 D)
26 Jul 18 UTC
@Leif, two quick things:

1) I will mute you, as I said I would with off-topic commenters. I have lost my patience with meaningless ad hominem discussion some time ago.

2) I didn't read what you wrote, sorry. If you want to tell me something, I suggest you try a PM as @God proposed (which I guess you can still send even if muted). If you can't, I sent you my email in PM.

Have a nice day. Now back to the topic, shall we?
Leif_Syverson (1626 D Mod)
26 Jul 18 UTC
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Well there you have it folks, my post was off topic... And he doesn't even realize he essentially validated everything I said. <shakes head>

Not that he will see this, but his topic is meaningless if he refuses to acknowledge his approach to his topic.
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
26 Jul 18 UTC
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Leif -

Thank you for the insightful post. It was extremely well thought out and very well written. If Enriador chooses to mute you over it, it is truly his loss.
Great post Leif. And for my part in this shitstorm, I apologize. I got pissed when he questioned my service to my country after I pointed him to the NATO standard cartography unit icons. I shouldn't have done that.
Mapu (2086 D (B))
27 Jul 18 UTC
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I think it's against the rules to mute a moderator, isn't it?
It simply doesn't work, Mapu.
I don't think he can mute Leif.
Frozen Dog (1523 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
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All hail the doomthread!
ubercacher16 (2114 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
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On topic:
1: Those look ok. I think keeping the Tank/Battleship icons is actually better then changing them at this point.
2: I love this. It always bothered me that Sardinia was colored neutral.


In response to your post. (It's short, read it.)
"I am on vDip to have fun, and I would rather use my limited free time doing meaningful work for the vDip community rather than lose time with petty arguments in the forum. As I said before, those who want to trade insults should get lost and play elsewhere."
HahAHAHAHA. That's funny.

"If you do believe that insults are worthwhile (how disappointing!), then I will happily mute/block you off as well."
I do not believe that insults are worthwhile. I believe that these particular "insults," were true.
JECE (1534 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
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"F MID borders both Brest and North Africa. The convoy is allowed Jece."

Enriador, poor thing, you can't even admit that you made a mistake in a joke? This is what you wrote: "If F MID convoys F BRE-NAF". As you know, you can't convoy fleets. Yes, even the phallic ones. ;-)
mouse (1776 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
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ubercacher - something being true does not necessarily preclude it from being insulting. While I would be in agreement that the statements in question do seem generally accurate, many of them are open to interpretation as insulting (or in a few cases, clearly intended as such.)

But yeah, if we can divorce the map changes from any cosmetic unit change, I'd love to play a new 'Classic Redrawn' variant :)
Uh oh. Uber and JECE got off topic. You know what that means...
ubercacher16 (2114 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
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ubercacher16 (2114 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
@mouse, my point was that these insults were correct, not that they were not insulting.
GOD (1791 D Mod (B))
27 Jul 18 UTC
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Would you say that a incorrect Insult is more insulting than a correct one though?
Enriador (1507 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
>it's against the rules to mute a moderator<

Anyone can make a report to the mods at the Mods tab, free of charge. Make sure to check the Rules (Help section) beforehand!

>This is what you wrote<

I wrote F BRE? Didn't realize it, apologies!

By the way, you @Jece get muted too - pedantic nitpicking can only go so far. =D

>something being true does not necessarily preclude it from being insulting. <

The sentence above is very true - we saw excellent, well-laid pieces of criticism in every page of the thread, but in most cases these were closely followed by useless perjury (and I am partially guilty of that too).

> if we can divorce the map changes from any cosmetic unit change, I'd love to play a new 'Classic Redrawn' variant<

I don't get what you mean. What changes you want to be applied to a variant, the map or unit changes?
Enriador (1507 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
>incorrect Insult is more insulting than a correct one though<

An insult is a form of verbal abuse - makes little difference how close it is to a truth. An example is the insult "faggot", which can be applied irrespectively of the target's sexual orientation.

The question is whether insults, to any degree, are acceptable in a website where "treat fellow users with respect" is literally the very first rule.
mouse (1776 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
I thought not reading the thread was a cardinal sin in your eyes, Enriador? My past contributions (and, well, the fact I referred to 'Classic Redrawn' rather than, say, 'variant icons') should have made it rather clear that I was referring to a new variant being added with your map changes.

Also, when it comes to "treating fellow users with respect", I would rate malicious (and the continued usage despite requests otherwise solidly indicates malicious intent) misnaming and a refusal to discuss (to not even get into the 'politeness', or lack thereof, of public boasts about muting dissenting opinion) as much more severe breaches of that axiom than most of the statenents made to you (with a few notable exceptions; looking at you YCHTT :p )

Whether a reasonable observer would class a statement as insulting is also a factor - yes, we *should* class anything the recipient feels has insulted them as such, but in practice that is ridiculously unfeasible for any form of enforcement, as people have vastly differing opinions on what, exactly, constitutes an insult, and if we cave to the most thin-skinned then we stifle all possible debate. A reasonable standard must be applied, and that will often differ between communities.
Hey now, mouse. My big naming insult was *after* Enri-ass-dor made it clear insulting nicknames were fine. If you mean referring to him as a Millennial well that was merely an observation of his age based on information gleaned in PMs and other postings and is less offensive than being called a liar about one's service to his country.
And, by the way, here is the first rule of the website.

Rules:
1. No Multi-Accounting
You may only have one account, second accounts are not allowed under any circumstances, and will be banned. This may also lead to your first account also being banned. If you forget your password, use the lost password finder here. If you are still unable to log in, contact the mods.



But if you want to pick nits, he insulted me first with the accusations of lying about service, age, and experience in Dip and he got insulting about my Dip experience. So I brought out a bit of my inner Draugnar and the poor little snowflake ran off crying about how his feelings were hurt. The little snowflake has a huge but fragile ego and needed to be taken down a notch or two.
P.S. The little snowflake clearly Can'tHandleTheTruth.
Enriador (1507 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
>not reading the thread was a cardinal sin<

Only if a post has *nothing* to do with the discussion ("Enriador is so mean! Please someone, save us!") or is especially offensive. I am not here to talk about user X or Y - petty name-calling utterly bores me.

>the fact I referred to 'Classic Redrawn' rather than, say, 'variant icons') should have made it rather clear that I was referring to a new variant<

It wasn't clear to me at all, as the changes I propose do not constitute what the Hobby calls a "Diplomacy variant". The rulebook and the map (borders and SCs and starting units etc) are untouched from Calhamer's.

>misnaming<

The only person I recall that was offended by it (@drasno) called me a few "names" himself, so I assume that's our reciprocal way of showing love.

>refusal to discuss<

Yes, I refuse to discuss with a bunch of internet strangers about my person. No one here has the prerrogative to do that - love it, hate it, but you *will* have to live with it.

I won't listen to empty, arbitrary moralist rethoric from unknown web ghosts. I am on vDiplomacy to talk about Diplomacy, period.

I eagerly discussed (and shall keep discussing) the thread's suggestion though, and adapted my thinking to meet with the community's demands for non-abstract unit icons.

>in practice that is ridiculously unfeasible for any form of enforcement,<

Honestly, I couldn't agree more. That's why I think the mute/block feature is brilliant; if you don't want to see someone's offenses or nonsense all you gotta do is to click a button - "self-enforcement", so to speak.

And if you dislike it, well... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Mapu (2086 D (B))
27 Jul 18 UTC
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Why anyone would continue to give this person feedback at this point is beyond me. Especially for a non-variant redraw of the map when the original map has worked fine for thousands of games and many years.
GOD (1791 D Mod (B))
27 Jul 18 UTC
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Amen, brother Mapu
I only respond because he isn't seeing it anyhow and I find the snowflake's petulant temper tantrum humorous.
Enriador (1507 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
>Why anyone would continue to give this person feedback<

This person patiently listens to *constructive feedback* and actively works for the platform you are using right now.

If someone has something meaningful to say that isn't followed by (frankly, badly made) ad hominem attacks, they will have their complaints and observations adressed. It's how I have worked here, with excellent results.

>original map has worked fine<

This is a bizarrely poor excuse. As said elsewhere as a comparision, webDiplomacy always "worked fine" - perhaps you should go there yourself? The innovations of vDiplomacy might not be to your liking.

Since I found your "feedback" surprisingly useless - with all due respect - I shall mute you, so forgive me if I don't reply anymore.
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
27 Jul 18 UTC
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I feel like this thread needs a theme song or something. I propose:

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you, too
Another one bites the dust

Can we compile a list of how outrageous this is getting? People muted thus far:

RUFFHAUS
YCHTT
Drano
Retillion (threatened)
Leif (attempted, can't mute a mod)
Mapu
Uber (threatened, possibly actually muted)

Others who have made the deadly mistake of straying off topic and who should therefore be muted for eternity include:

GOD
mouse
FrozenDog
JECE
Mercy

Am I missing anyone? Pretty soon the only people Enriador will have much of the forum-reading membership of vDip muted. That certainly bodes well for feedback. /s
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
27 Jul 18 UTC
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I've been sitting here in Dr. Melfi's lobby all week, hoping for an appointment cancellation. The stress of being muted by Enriador has affected me so much that I fear I'll need prescriptions for both Lithium and Prozac.
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
27 Jul 18 UTC
Ugh typos -

Am I missing anyone? Pretty soon Enriador will have much of the forum-reading membership of vDip muted. That certainly bodes well for feedback. /s

That's what it's supposed to say.

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CptMike (1575 D)
02 Aug 18 UTC
Live 1v1 - Fall the American Empire: Civil War
Hello,

Is somebody interesed in playing a live (10' / phase ) on this map :
* https://vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=33
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Flame (1073 D)
29 Jul 18 UTC
Territory Diagram
I wonder why VDip is not using Territory Diagram to reveal the dinamics of territory occupation in time. Now it's working rather good. But for maps with neutrals it still has several bugs. We use this module on Diplomail. Please check: https://ibb.co/mFZF3o
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Enriador (1507 D)
04 Apr 18 UTC
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'Edwardian' - A new variant
Greetings diplomats.

I present you @VaeVictis's 'Edwardian' - an upcoming jewel to vDiplomacy's glorious crown. 'Edwardian' is set in 1901, the start of the Edwardian Era, and represents the intrigue and tension of the period with a level of elegance and detail never seen before
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polaris (1137 D)
28 Jul 18 UTC
Known World 901 question re rebuilt armies
The variant page says that "This map is build anywhere and has neutral standing armies that disband when dislodged, but will be rebuild if the relevant Home Supply Center is vacant and unowned during the build-phase in autumn." but looking at completed games, I don't see the standing armies getting rebuilt. Does this mean I need to always occupy my own SCs in the fall or else they turn back into neutral standing armies? Can someone explain this to me?
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Flame (1073 D)
23 Jul 18 UTC
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1898 - Civilization in Diplomacy
Variant "1898" by Randy Davis is very cool. One unit for each power at the start on the classic board.
It's already avaliable to play... but...
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Flame (1073 D)
21 Jul 18 UTC
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Mistake in Known World 901 variant
In "Known World 901" we have Principality of Kiev (short - Russia). But it's a mistake which I have fixed when I did the php-adaptation to Western Known World 901 variant. The power must be called as Kievan Rus (short - Rus). It's not Russia at all. So it must be also fixed in Known World 901 variant I think.
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JECE (1534 D)
20 Jul 18 UTC
The variant page is down. This is what I get:
Error triggered: A software exception was not caught: "syntax error, unexpected ''Ghana'' (T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING), expecting function (T_FUNCTION)".
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kaner406 (2103 D Mod (B))
10 Mar 18 UTC
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Bourse 2018
See below:
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
09 Jul 18 UTC
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You can now access the server via https...
So friends in the same network can no longer spy on your network-traffic here to gain an advantage over you... :-)
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Penguin_XX7 (1309 D)
14 Jul 18 UTC
Sitters for four games.
I need game sitters for 3 Gunboat games and one full press until July 24th. Please PM me.
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Thanks to the winning thread, I lost The Game...
...and now you have too.

The perfect thread for all of us losers to post when we've lost. There can be no winners here.
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Strider (1604 D)
09 Jul 18 UTC
Preview in fog of war
Why can't you preview your moves in fog of war? I understand that some features might need to be turned off for fog to work but it this required or just an acident.
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Antiloquax (1287 D)
23 Jun 18 UTC
Why is the red box attacking me?
The red box on games with no saved moves is stressing me out! I have 2 days. What's the emergency?
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