A lot of the new variants I want to try are only allowing very high RRs. Also, I can't join a game with an RR requirement of A, even though I have 93%.

That's odd! You are an A!... mmm... PM Oli? maybe it's a bug...

Yeah, I'm sitting at 89% RR and a little annoyed. I've missed 18 phases in almost 2 years on the site, and if 1v1s were counted in the total I'd probably be sitting at <2% phases missed.

god, Prez, you miss a shitload of phases, I'd never play with you ... slackard!

So Guaroz just because im not playing lately, when i come back sometime i cannot play because i made a pause?
---> ridiculous! :D

Hi Rox !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you do?
Happy to hear you, I hope you're back to stay !!!

I always watched in hear around, but I never saw any game worth to play :)
And dunno, not so atracted of this right now :)

*in here -.-

@PE: It's not a problem if your grade is a B. B is above average... And with 89% and 18 lost phases you will reach an A grade in 25 phases.

@MA: only 3 of 17 new games require a given grade. And you can always set up a new game requiring a lesser grade.

@MA: You can't join one game, because it was setup with the old code so people could set an arbitrary RR. So the rating might be 95% and it's just labeled A because of the new code.

Well, I guess I will never get to join these "high phases" games. I don't play live and I will never reach 1500 even in a year at one phase a day and no more than three games at a time...

With the current RR system I wouldn't set 1000+ phases filter.
100+ or 200+ combined with an A (90%+) rating and max CD=1 can be enough to stay reasonably away from a game likely to be screwed.
It won't be hard to reach 100+ phases: it's about 3 games completed.

Which means 2 months for me.

I think with CDs calculated in the RR there is no more need for a CD-option in gamecreate and it's very likely that I'll remove this setting soon.

Haw about altering the turn count to be a simple check box that says "experienced only" and checks the count to be 50 or 100 phases?

YCHTT had a good idea. We could make a menu with only a few options, like ABC for RR. But steps of 50s look too short, since there are new players who play more than 50 phases a week (IE:userID=1633,userID=1649 and I checked only January 4 & 5). How about a Experience Menu with only 3 options: Low, Medium, High being... uhmm...say 100, 300, 600 and being the default=0 ?

And yes, CD-option looks useless after the new RR.

I like this idea too.

I think experience is measured by "Dpoints" and you can set the points to join to any value. We should come up with a better name to describe "phaeses played"

Ahah don't ask me! Some native English speaker?

What if the turn count was somehow combined with time on the site or some indicator flag that a Mod can set? I ask becaus eI have 100+ *games* at webdip and have been there over 3 years, but I'm a "noob" by the standards over here *and* not likely to get 100 phases in the next 6 months to a year as I only play 1 day or more phase games and resrict myself to 5 or 6 at most at a time between *both* sites.

@Oli - no skill, and to some degree, luck is measured by daggers. You could play hundreds of games and continually lose or draw, staying below 200 and be a fun and reliable player, but just not have the skill to win or consistently draw.

I agree with YCHTT. I've been on since long before the phases were implemented, and yet, I have far fewer than many people because I only player longer phase games and I don't play 10-12 at a time. At the same time, I doubt many people on here would say I'm not a "veteran" or that I shouldn't be able to join those higher quality games.

In my opinion, if people want to restrict games to the higher quality games (which seems to be the idea behind many of the posts), just do invite only games. Most people on here know who they like to play with anyways (at least if they want to play their high quality games), so just ask around. No need to put yet another feature on here that might actually cause you to restrict certain players that you might want to play with.

who is drano is he new?

@YCHTT, we're talking about reliability, not about experience.
Reliability can be measured somehow using each player's data, comparing phases, NMRs and CDs.

# phases are not proportional to experience
# phases are just a measure of how many orders you've entered in this site.
Those names attached to #phases bands are a measure of how-much-you've-played-here. Nothing more.
Dpoints are not not proportional to experience too
(despite it is likely that bozo is more experienced than I am)

I understand your concern, but if I have a look at your profile there is no way I can measure your experience, nor I can have an idea of it.
Don't take it personally, in the point of view of this website you're a new_comer.
Is it too frustrating?
Look at the new-open games page: the # phases filter is not that commonly used

It was suggested using daggers as that measure. I'm saying daggers *isn't* that measure. The reliability rating combined with number of phases played is a better measure for true reliability over time. Not points. That's all I'm saying.

And no, I have plenty of games running and plenty here know who I am over at WebDip, so it isn't frustrating for me per say now, but when I first came on the site, I couldn't join more than one or two new games because I was "inexperienced". We just need to be able to account for direct WebDip (either through WebDiplomacy.net or Facebook) experience somehow or risk losing some good people when they get frustrated.

It's like moving form one state to another and having to take the entire drivers exam over even though you have been driving for 30 years.

We had (and still have to a lesser extend) a problem with new players joining too many games at once (because of all these different variants) and than leave after a week or two screwing a lot of games. That's why we limit the games a new player can join. A new player can join 3 games. If he played 1 phase in each game he can join another one. 2-player games are not affected. I think that's not too harsh.

Actually, it wasn't long at all before I was able to join the games I wanted to, so no problem there. I'm more concerned with the new capabilities being abused per the OP. I think my only NMR ever was when my wife broke her back and I missed that evening's turn on one game before I could get on. But over here if someone decided to make it phase related, they could block me out despite having 3+ nearly perfect years on this platform.

That's why I suggest we just find a good balance to call experienced instead of opening it up to elitism. We have that on WebDip with 1001 point buyins and stuff. don't make phases provide another elitism opportunity. Instead just decide what makes one a veteran instead of a new recruit.

"I couldn't join more than one or two new games because I was "inexperienced"."
No.
You couldn't join more than one or two new games because you were "supposedly unreliable".
This is the point with the new users.
I hope it's clear.

I can see your gameID=7063#gamePanel has already had a CD issue.
It's open to everyone and has 13 players. It's hard to avoid.
Who's userID=2110 ? A new_comer.

gameID=6957#gamePanel instead had a hyperactive player userID=1930 (500+ phases in 40 days, lol!) with bad manners.
Chronic NMR, he stopped entering orders when he started losing.

Actually I can't blame userID=2110. Perhaps he just realized that he doesn't like this game.
I can blame userID=1930, though.

The RR system is here to teach people not to NMR, or worse, CD.
If people can't be teached... well, the RR system restricts their freedom to join games.

It's right, it's fair. It's going to improve the global quality of games.

You shall see, YCHTT, once this RR stuff will be in a steady state, you'll just love it.

I think this system is perfect... Unreliable people must be banned....

Good, DL. I agree on all points, esp. on why a RR system is.

I just want to add something on userID=1930, who's not the first case I notice on this site.
Joined: 16 Feb 2012, Last visited: Sun 25 Mar
in 39 days he completed 35 games (3 of them with a Resign) + 11 not completed (=CD-Resign). Now, EITHER
- He left the site for some reason: he didn't like Diplomacy although he was able to win/draw 6 games, he got measles and he's stuck in bed...
OR
- He was tired of RR restrictions and opened a new account and who knows how many games he's playing and how he's behaving now.

Both ways are good reasons to put more restrictions on new accounts.
You can't CD a game every 3 days for 40 days, you can't miss 90 phases in 35 games* and carry on just opening a new account that in a couple of days will let you join an infinite number of games.
I'm all for some more restricrions to new accounts. Just find a fair set that doesn't discourage honest newcomers. Discuss?
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*@ sqrg: how would you compute the "chance of NOT missing a phase"?... -157%? LOL
@ Gumers: I'd agree but unfortunately the point is that they already auto-ban themselves. They don't even try to recover their bad rating: they just open a basically-without-limitations new account.