@brainbomb: I asked about the early votes because they were all made without any justification and with very little information available. I was trying to determine if they were votes just to push people, or if they were perhaps based on information from previous games.

ubercacher's response to mouse's question was interesting. He seemed to acknowledge the premise of the question by coming up with an alternate explanation as to why he could want a night phase first.

@snowy: Why did you vote for mouse if you are pushing to lynch ghug?

@bb you said: "why do you care who they are on webdip and how is that relevant?"
I want to know if I have any metadata on them. Looks like I don't.


@mouse you said: "I am not on webdip. (Actually I think I might be, for a game with RL friends that got paused and then never actually finished, but even then there'd be no forum activity to compare to)"
Thanks. Do you prefer role madness or more vanilla games? Why?



@bozo you said: "My webdip ID is bozotheclown. I played the last 2 mafia games there, but that is my only experience playing mafia."
Oh hey! I don't think I've played a game with you before, but it looks like I've seen you around. Do you think the extended Day phase favors town or maf or neither?



@uber you said: "I have the same name on webdip. "
Cool. I guess I have seen you around, though I'm not sure we've interacted much in any situation. You seem like you've played maf before...?



@ghug - an early post from you asked people to talk more. What constitutes "talking more" ?

a very wise, very fictional man once claimed that if we went around asking ourselves why we do things, we'd never get anything done

@teacon: I am not sure it will make much of a difference, but the extended Day phase probably favors town, providing more time to collect information and making it more likely we hear from everyone.

*hands snowy a basket of fried pickles*

Who is the scumteam yogi?

@bozo - Makes sense I guess. Too bad we don't have peterlund's bot to track postcounts and such.

@snowy - I can't help but notice that you didn't answer bozo's question. Also, who is the fictional character you're speaking of?

@Teacon post counts are easy as long as big talkers stay disciplined and make the game readable. Youll note that on 72 hour phases, its not necessary for me to post 50+ times.

I am more comfortable with bozo now. Teacon feels a bit odd.

I was trying to think what scum would do in this 72 hour setup. It occured to me one scum would likely be blending in and talking about unimportant things like the tracker or some arbitrary rule. Meanwhile as long as there were 30% of the player pool lurking - scum #2 would hide in there. Scum #2 lurker would be the hooker and piggy back off natural low posters to fit meta.

Some issues in my thoughts
1. Ezio never says much day one. He usually shows up and proposes a no lynch at some point.

2. Meme is rarely ever super active day one or at all. He posted early however which is promising.

I dont really have a TLDR here but I dont think mouse, uber, ghug, snowy fit as scum so far.

That leaves meme, ezio, teacon, bozo

Im on the fence re: DemonOverlord as shes stated shes awful as scum on mafiascum and her scum game is more obvious. Its a wait-and-see for me.

@brain -

I agree that that pattern has fit with SOME scumteams. But I can't remember a time a scumteam has intentionally coordinated playstyles like that.

maf1: "okay according to brain's playbook we need a talker and someone to lay low. what do you want?"
maf2: "I'll lay low"
maf1: "okay I'd better get posting about unimportant things."

Yes, that pattern has happened before, but it doesn't seem sound to assume a certain scum playbook and then look for that pattern. I think that's called post hoc ergo propter hoc?

I do genuinely think the phase length (as well as # of players) will affect the dynamics of how this phase works, so I don't see that as an unimportant question. That said, you're right that scum blend in talking about unimportant things. How are you distinguishing unimportant blending from the joke phase?

@brain, I don't see starting with a day as useful but we might as well get our slug in before the mafia get there's.

@bozo, you will notice that I never said that I "wanted" a night phase first, you guys made that part up.

@teacon, I have only played mafia IRL. I have never played it online in any, way, shape, or form.

@uber -
Are you saying that starting at night is useful? If so, how so?

I had never before considered starting anytime but at night. It is as simple as that.

Thanks uber. Hey, did you follow the last game on webdip at all?

No.

@ubercacher: I know you did not say that you wanted a night phase first, but my point was that when mouse asked why you wanted a night phase, you gave another example of why you might want a night phase besides being mafia, which seem to acknowledge the premise of his question.

Is that a problem? I was trying to show how his argument was flawed.

@uber - I ask because the last game on webdip did, iirc, start with a night phase. Maf didn't get an NK, but they did get to talk and potentially coordinate.

In the context of your first question in the game (the geneis of this topic of discussion), it's an odd question. When you've played f2f mafia, how does starting the game with a night phase (and presumably an NK) help give something to discuss?


@ghug you said: "Oh good, town is OP." Why?

DO YOU FEEL THAT THERE WAS A JOKE PHASE THIS GAME TEACON

Did you see my terrible game bb? Feel free to post it here I guess, even though it is embarrassing as all hell it'll give people some idea as to my scum meta

"I dont really have a TLDR here but I dont think mouse, uber, ghug, snowy fit as scum so far."

Wrong. At least 3/4 of those have used really bad/questionable logic that shouldn't be disregarded.

Teacon is really good though, this isn't scum Teacon unless he's undergone major changes.

No wait, Teacon's last question was stupid af. But maybe not scum indicative??? Sounds like trying to be useful and engaging but failing hard

His question @ uber not at @ ghug

I'm going to be honest with you and say that I didn't exactly follow the last game either. Still got everything right though

I've always been an avid proponent of the principle that it's not what you do, but how you do it

Town lurks, scum lurks, and both can equally post two of the most useless posts per phase and there are still ways to distinguish between the two if you know how. It's just a little harder than usual

that being said, meme may or may not be a victim of Alzheimer's so it's important to bear in mind that he may not all be there right now

speaking of the night 0 phase meta, there's a noticeable tendency for that to favor stronger players, because there's also a medic involved and it's disastrous for scum to start the game off with a save, so they "dodge" the expected save so to say

it's quite interesting, really, but the key takeaway is the fact that since I always used to get shot I always started to get saved and then people stopped shooting me afterwards

...and then they stopped saving me then they started shooting me again but my point is that I'm the best

I suppose that if I were to have a point to all this is that I think uber, ghug, brainbomb, and DO are town. That being said, I still advocate for a lynch on ghug anyway

I don't agree with brainbomb but I find myself never agreeing with brainbomb ever so

Why do you think ghug is town snowy. Teach me what I can not know

just to confirm, this is Jamiet99uk right

Cause we have four times as many players as them and two PRs, teacon. Plus demon is scum and she's self-professedly terrible at it.

What makes brain town, demon?

Snowy, I pretty sure you told everyone you'd changed your mind on me and guak and then self voted for half the phase, so I don't think we're giving you any credit for last game.

Teacon, would you be lurking if you were scum?

well the thing about ghug is that everything he does is so anti-town that everyone inevitably assumes that he's scum even when he's trying his best as town

so when you actually see scum ghug you think to yourself "oh good ghug is single handedly destroying our win chances again - typical town ghug" and you end up overlooking him entirely

so last game what I did was not to look at the specifics of the garbage he's spewing but just generally skim his isolated statements and go off the gut feeling this gives me, which wound up working out