"brainbomb: you'd shoot me tonight entirely independently from any action that may have occurred last night?"

You asked me who I would kill. Id aim for PR.

I havent played well at all actually. I thought he was saying I was demonstrably town and therefore if somehow I was still scum after all I deserved a win. I strongly encourage you to agree mouse. I am town I just played shitty.

I also see absolutely no that scum would fake claim at that time in the game.

The best way to understand why "flushing" is an invalid strategy is to look at the fact it has a chance to be autoloss. Scum having scored a mislynch, and a nk would not feel pressed to out the cop. The cop is likely to out day 2 anyway with any scan at all other than on dead or if they were roleblocked.

So why wouldnt scum try to flush?

In 6 v 2, scumteam has a better chance to counter claim the cop than they do to initiate the claim. If I had not fake claimed, snowy would have. He lost the ability to fake a cop scan on someone else and squeeze an extra lynch for verificatation. Because he got guilty scanned and was hooker, and that there was already a vt fake claim which he bit on, he lost that angle to use.

Scum always waits to counter claim as cop to get as many collateral damage lynches as possible. Claiming first gives scum no chance

Exactly. @bozo can you come up with a more compelling argument then "he fake claimed?"

@uber: brainbomb says there was no reason to fake claim as scum, but then says "If I had not fake claimed, snowy would have." That is a direct contradiction, I think brainbomb is having a hard time keeping his stories straight.

Could explain how that is a contradiction?

@uber: teacon wrote several pages on his case against brainbomb. One good point he had was about brainbomb trying to use teacon's roleblock against him. teacon pointed out immediately that he was not cleared by being roleblocked, since the mafia could choose not to use it and claim it themselves, but brainbomb proceeded to try to use the roleblock against him. This is likely because it was brainbomb's plan to roleblock teacon, then claim there was no reason for mafia to roleblock him, therefore implicating teacon.

@uber: Since snowy was scum, why is brainbomb saying snowy would have faked claimed if there is no reason to fake claim as scum.

My point is brain saying, "If I had not fake claimed, snowy would have." Is not a contradiction.

He just said that there is no reason to INITIATE fake claim as scum. There is plenty of reason to COUNTER claim as scum.

@uber: Also, brainbomb voting pattern indicates he was trying to start wagons wherever he could. By D2, brainbomb voted for every other player except Captainmeme, and Captainmeme did not make it to D2. Is it really possible he scumread everyone by D2?

@uber: I did not read that as brainbomb saying snowy would counterclaim.

I am pretty sure that's what he meant.

But you are right about the voting.

Okay. No.

Heres the orders of possible operations

Demon claims -> snowy counter claims

Brainbomb claims -> demon claims ->?

If brainbomb in scenario B is scum he just made it impossible for teamate snowy to survive, cc.

If braimbomb in scenario B is VT he prevents snowy from cc and secures verificatiion lynch

Scum never claims first -> demon forced to cc. Because all claims by scum if initiated first will be automatically delegated to verification. Its a loss of life. 1 for 1 in this setup is never best play for scum

"Dont expect much from me this game. I dont like lynching ghug-uber- or mouse. Those all feel wrong." - brainbomb.

What made you say this? What changed? Specifically about not contributing much.

That was from D1 btw.

@brainbomb: You are justifying your fake claim based on DO being the real cop, but there is no way you could have known that at the time.

Im justifying the action no matter who fills that DO slot.

I decided to play more. I wasnt gonna try much ive been burnt out for a few mothhs

Ok.

"@uber: Also, brainbomb voting pattern indicates he was trying to start wagons wherever he could. By D2, brainbomb voted for every other player except Captainmeme, and Captainmeme did not make it to D2. Is it really possible he scumread everyone by D2?"

Voted bozo
No lynch
Snowy
Voted mouse while drunk
Voted ezio as pressure go reread it
Voted teacon
Voted snowy
Voted ghug out of anger

2 of the people I voted for were scum.
One wagon was no lynch
One was a pressure vote
One while wasted as fuck
Another that I misread teacon
And one out of anger

How is any of that opportunistic wagon starting?

If anything yer arguing I was trying to oportunistically form a wagon on actual scum snowy

Bozo how many people have you reread this game?

To everyone: what would your opinion be on a no lynch today (or tying votes to generate one)?

Whatever makes you feel more comfortable. If you need more time, more questions I will agree.