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Muscle (1213 D)
13 Aug 12 UTC
Need players for WWIV Game... gameID=9310
It is titled "What happened to WWIII?" It starts on August 17th
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GOD (1791 D Mod (B))
13 Aug 12 UTC
need a sitter
i will be traveling from thursday for ten days...could someone take over my account for this time please? i have really few games at the moment...
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The Prussian (1116 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Reliability Rating Issue
So this has probably been addressed many times, and will get yelled at since I am new and maybe did not read something. But I looked into it and am still confused. I have only played one game and have a RR of -100 rookie. However even when I or a friend makes a game with no request for a certain RR It says my RR is too low. How can i get it higher if i cannot join a game?
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kaner406 (2061 D Mod (B))
12 Aug 12 UTC
Great News!
The cost of taking over a country in CD is now 1/2.
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Svidrigailov (912 D)
11 Aug 12 UTC
Live one on one
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=9374
password is crime
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Shep315 (1435 D)
09 Aug 12 UTC
Wanted: Sitter for the Next Week
Hello all, next week I will be attending my week long college orientation/freshmen bonding type event. I move into my dorm on Saturday, but I should be able to check in on Saturday and Sunday, but Monday onward I will be pretty busy
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viejo (892 D)
09 Aug 12 UTC
Para jugadores hispanoparlantes
Por si interesa: http://www.labsk.net/index.php?topic=91179
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Decima Legio (1987 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
I won't say F*CK OFF: gameID=8881
A few hours before the end there was only my draw vote in (Slavic) and Norge's. I didn't expect this morning to wake up and find a 5 way draw. Not with this SCs difference.
Il Principe, Guaroz, couldn't we go for the natural outcome: 3 way draw?
Your thoughts will be appreciated.
Decima Legio (1987 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
And about you, kaug...dear kaug...

Since the number of phases played is tracked, sept 2011, you collected the highest number of phases played on this website.
over 5 thousands. I haven't seen anyone else arund here comparable with you. Roughly you add 15 phases played/day.
That would be admirable... if only you could handle it.

The matter is that it doesn't look like you can do it.
gameID=8881 is the last game I've played with you. Once again, as soon as something goes wrong with your side, you stop following properly this one and you dedicate yourself to other games.

During the game 7 times you didn't enter your orders.
Outstanding, considering it's a gunboat and it could take not more than 5mins/day.
And it's outstanding that you didn't go in CD. I could swear I've seen "missed the last phase" on your countryname only once in 959.
How could that happen???

Just 1 more notice: did you even pay attention to the game title?


Do you find it funny when the other players stop following your games?
No, it isn't. The game is twisted and it's not funny anymore.
Do you find it respectful?
No, if you join you're expected to play until the end. Thre are not computers on the other side of the screen. Respect them.
Victory is not the only way to have fun.
Sometimes I've had fun even after a "survived" score.
Please, kaug, tell me that you're going to change your attitudes.
Please tell me that you're going to play less games but you're going to play them all and continuously.
Oli (977 D Mod (P))
06 Aug 12 UTC
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/features.php#faq_2_4
Chill man it's one game.
Guaroz (2030 D (B))
06 Aug 12 UTC
Ehr... Yes Oli, but DL is a rather expert player and I guess he knew he could block him.
The issue here looks like that it's too easy work around the system. The player in question NMRed 7 times and got only 1 "Missed the last phase", so he had only 1 MP recorded on his RR.

If I had to block all players that don't put or save any order without missing the phase, I'd have to block a 20% of players here. So I couldn't basically join games anymore... there would be a blocked player in most cases.

BTW, would it be hard to change the code for "Missed Phase" from:
- The player did not log in the game during the whole phase
to:
- The player did not save any order
or, better:
- The player did not save any order or saved/finalized "all holds"
?
Oli (977 D Mod (P))
06 Aug 12 UTC
Yes, it would be hard, and besides this would easy to prevent, as you could just give some fake-orders instead of "Hold" to circumvent this restrictions.
The "block"-function is made esp. for such situations.
Decima Legio (1987 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
yes, Oli, I'm aware about the block feature and it's really a precious instrument in some extreme cases, but I like to think it's the last choice available.
In my opinion blocking someone is never a victory for the website. Teaching someone is.
kaner406 (2061 D Mod (B))
06 Aug 12 UTC
That game destroyed my faith that players' actually read the title of games before they join them
Rancher (1207 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
(+1)
circle ... Kumbaya
Guaroz (2030 D (B))
07 Aug 12 UTC
@ Oli, yes it would be easy to prevent, but much less easy than it is now.

Now you can be a serial-gamescrewer because you need just 1 second to log in a game (open it in a new tab - close the tab even without give a look to it).
So if you're playing 20 games and gave up half of them, 10 seconds a day are enough to screw 10 games without any penalty.

Instead, if you have to wait for the page to completely load, put in a couple of fake orders, save/finalize them, wait for the grey or green "v" to show up, and close the tab/log out, then you need 15 or 20 seconds a game to do your dirty job and it could become boring after some days.
Also, if you have a few units, perhaps you may choose to put in REAL orders, taking it just a little time-difference, because no-one wants a "defeat" that can be avoided with a few more seconds effort.

Discouraging serial-gamescrewers aside, all player would be encouraged to save some orders at their first phase-log-in, correcting or completing them later if necessary. This way also many "Oh shit! I'm 20 minutes late!" NMRs would be avoided, even with players performing only half orders, that is better than no-one.

That said, if doing it would be hard, then no point.
But it wasn't that bad idea, IMHO. :)
Gobbledydook (1083 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
Guaroz, forcing all holds into NMR is a bad idea. There are situations (esp. if I have 1 centre left) that I want to enter a hold.
Guaroz (2030 D (B))
07 Aug 12 UTC
Yes, but I believe that the problem wouldn't be to add a condition like "if the player got more than 1 centre then check if orders...".
Or more than 2 centres.
If Oli said it's hard to do, the problem must be another.
Oli (977 D Mod (P))
07 Aug 12 UTC
Makes the code unnecessary complex, and that's why for such a rare issue you should use the "block"-feature.
Gobbledydook (1083 D)
08 Aug 12 UTC
Guaroz, is there anything in the rules that does not permit me to enter all holds? Perhaps I wish to trick my enemies (or allies)? Holds can be used to great effect particularly if you don't want to go anywhere and don't need to support anything.
Rancher (1207 D)
08 Aug 12 UTC
agree with Gobbledydook, it is completely legal and perhaps desireable in some situations to issue orders for all holds
Guaroz (2030 D (B))
08 Aug 12 UTC
@ Gobble. Ok, true. How many times in your life did you do so? Did you do it more than once in the same game?
We could let off a player the first time of each game, if we really want to save weird people who think that "all holds" may be a good tactic.
But if you save no orders 7 times in a game, it's not a tactic: you're screwing the game. And I see it happening into half the games I play. Maybe more.
Decima Legio (1987 D)
08 Aug 12 UTC
Guaroz, Rancher, Gobbledydook,
the matter is not the "all holds" or not (by the way have you ever entered all holds in the first 2-3 years?).
The matter is that it's surprisingly easy to work around the RR system.

Oli said it's hard to change the code form
"The player did not log in the game during the whole phase"
to
"The player did not save any order"

Ok, fine, so all I can do as user is to raise awareness for the community.

Oli, you're the master here.
If that's the current solution you ask me to do I won't debate any longer.
I just want to point out that kaug is not an asshole, nor he is new. He knows what he does.
In any case, before taking the extreme measure to block kaug I'd like to have his opinion on the matter.

Unfortunately, except the game in question, I have not collected informations to sustain whether the issue is globally rare or common.
I'll take care to evaluate the incidence of those "NMRs that curiously are not Missed Phases" on my games, though.
Oli (977 D Mod (P))
09 Aug 12 UTC
It was very clear from the beginning, that you can work around the RR. If you don't like your RR you can just create a new account and start again. That's a lot easier too...
It serves it purpose to teach the players the rules of good sportsmanship and let people create games that are a lot less likely to get screwed (if they choose so).

Blocking a player is not a extreme measure. You don't like to play a certain person (for whatever arbitrary reason) just block him and move on. It's easy and convenient and made exactly for that reason. So please use this.
I can't and I won't change the way the RR works, because there is always a way to work around. And the tougher you set the rules, the more you hit the innocent players.


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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
08 Aug 12 UTC
Collective thoughts on ethics
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=8916
When there is a game full of CDs and a four way draw is negotiated and agreed to, what are we to think of a player who then rushes for a tactical advantage to chase the solo as others are making no effort to block him?
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Cannot enter any orders
Just says "Loading order..." forever.
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kaner406 (2061 D Mod (B))
29 Jul 12 UTC
(+4)
I like the new vDiplomacy symbol.
:)
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GOD (1791 D Mod (B))
30 Jul 12 UTC
what kind of sorcery is this?!
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=8704&nocache=563
bozo won another game...how does he manage to get always a solo or a draw?! O.o
@bozo: please teach me, master!!
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Lord Ravager (988 D)
02 Aug 12 UTC
Victory Conditions into variant "The Battle of the Sexes"
Which could be the most popular one? Let's see many ideas
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myLAAN (1109 D)
02 Aug 12 UTC
Replacement needed - Modern Dip II Team Game
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PhoenixBD (871 D)
02 Aug 12 UTC
New Haven game!
Just started up a new game on the Haven map, come join and spread the word.
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
25 Jul 12 UTC
Variant theories from the latest DipWorld...
Anybody read the latest DiplomacyWorld?
It has a nice article about "What Not to Put in a Variant Design".
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Anon (?? D)
29 Jul 12 UTC
(+1)
liveclassicfog
gameID=9226, its 10:30am EST time, about 4:30pm GMT, enjoy
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Jimbozig (1179 D)
23 Jul 12 UTC
New game
I would like to start a game with the best players on this website.
Drano, Guaroz, Ambassador, RoxArt, Devonian, bozo, etc.
Let's get a good game going and spend some of our points.
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idealist (1107 D)
26 Jul 12 UTC
anyone up for a 1v1 live or something?
i dont want to make it until someone responds...let me know
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idealist (1107 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
1v1 games
http://www.vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9181

http://www.vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9182
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Holon221 (898 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
Submitting a diplomacy variant
just wondering if on this sight I can submit some of my own diplomacy variants?
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amisond (1280 D)
24 Jul 12 UTC
New Variants
Why is it that as soon as a new variant is released people instantly start playing anonymous gunboats...
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amisond (1280 D)
17 Jul 12 UTC
Lab test game.
Players needed for the first test game of Celtic Britain on lab: http://lab.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=170
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Anon (?? D)
23 Jul 12 UTC
high stakes poker - lets go - gameID=9148
join some high stakes! gameID=9148
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fasces349 (1007 D)
25 May 12 UTC
(+1)
Bankroll Diplomacy
A spin off of Bourse Diplomacy where the investments made by investors effect how successful the in game nations are.
See below for rules:
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drano019 (2710 D Mod)
23 Jul 12 UTC
New Game Type
A little while back, someone mentioned a game type with a king, assassins, knights, and traitors who all had different victory conditions. Does anyone know the game type im referring to in more detail, and if so, would anyone be interested in trying it out?
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xSMTx (847 D)
29 Jun 12 UTC
Quick Question
So I'm in my, like, 4 game of colonial dip, and I am wondering why the trans- Siberian railway is present but unused. I'm hoping someone can explain this
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idealist (1107 D)
22 Jul 12 UTC
a couple of new 1v1 games
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=9139
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=9140
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=9141
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=9142
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kaner406 (2061 D Mod (B))
20 Jul 12 UTC
New player needed:
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Here's your chance to post all kinds of anon fun. gameid=9100
I guess a body has to be there too.
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