Finally a new variant to play => Balkans 1860.
Created by: Benjamin Hester.
- Have fun, Oli.

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Argentinean Empire (955 D)
27 Apr 17 UTC
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Word Association Thread
Hello! I saw a thread like this on WebDip. We start with a word, and you then post the one word that pops into your mind after you read that word. The first word is FIRST.
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nopunin10did (1011 D)
Tue 03 PM UTC
Win Conditions less than majority
Some of you with a bit more experience at vDip can clue me in here.

How does vDip currently adjudicate when more than one player meets the SC requirement for victory simultaneously? More details below.
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Jamie_T (937 D)
Sun 10 Sep UTC
vDiplomacy Forum Mafia
Would anyone be interested in playing forum based Mafia / Werewolf here, on the vDip forum?
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Technostar (1178 D)
03 Sep 17 UTC
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"Divided States" - New variant in progress
"Divided States" is a variant where every US state is a country. I am looking for advice about it. See reply for details.
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Dr. Recommended (1204 D Mod (B))
24 Dec 16 UTC
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Variant Tournaments
I've really enjoyed playing variant-specific tournaments such as the Known World 15x15 currently underway.
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butterhead (975 D)
21 May 12 UTC
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Advertise your NON-live games here!
In an effort to compromise the pro-ads versus anti-ads for games: Post here for your non-live games to cut down on the number of ads but still advertise games. Post game link, WTA or PPSC, and the bet. Note: this doesn't count for special rules games.
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Known World Tournament
Awhile back, kaner proposed a Known World gunboat tournament in which 15 participants would play 15 games, one with each nation. I searched back for the thread, then just decided to start a new one. I want to see if there would be sufficient interest in this to try to get it off the ground.
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fasces349 (1058 D)
26 Dec 10 UTC
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Advertise live games here
Like in webdiplo, this thread will be used to help people find live games
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Devonian (1860 D)
29 Jun 15 UTC
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1v1 Tournament Rules, Rankings, and Challenges
Official Rules for 1v1 Ladder Tournament
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gman314 (1016 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
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Winning
Oli won.
On Imperial Civilization's off-topic thread (link inside), there was a brief stint of Second to Last Person to Post Wins. Now that the thread is closed, Oli won.
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BenjaminHester (1058 D)
Thu 14 Sep UTC
While I'm going through the long slog of rebuilding Sengoku...
...any interest in a vDip implementation of my most recent, and arguably best balanced variant that rolled off the assembly line before my last long Dip sabbatical?

http://dipwiki.com/index.php?title=Balkans1860
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BenjaminHester (1058 D)
11 Aug 17 UTC
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obsolete Sengoku variant
Hi all, designer of Sengoku here. I would love to get the latest version of Sengoku in use on this system, as it is much more balanced. Found here: http://dipwiki.com/index.php?title=Sengoku
Even if the DP system, can't be used, the version at http://nairenvorbeck.angelfire.com/ is still better than the one in use currently. Poor Mori needs a fair chance :-) Anyone willing/able to help me get these implemented?
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NManock18 (1000 D)
Mon 18 Sep UTC
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Variants
Are there any tips on software to use for designing a variant? Thanks!
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faded box (1108 D)
Tue 05 Sep UTC
live
anyone up for a live 1v1? u can choose map if u dont like one i got posted
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Vauban (1068 D)
Sun 17 Sep UTC
Colour for Neutral Province
Check below
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nopunin10did (1011 D)
30 May 17 UTC
1900 for vDip: Progress Report (ongoing)
As mentioned in another thread, I've been working on the code and assets necessary to port Baron M. Powell's variant 1900 to vDip and/or webDip.

In order to keep myself accountable in some fashion to actually complete this task, and not just talk about it, I've created a small project plan where I can mark my progress.
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Cometk (1000 D)
Fri 15 Sep UTC
Replacing Inactive Member
how does my group go about replacing an inactive member?
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President Eden (1640 D)
Wed 13 Sep UTC
Is England* vs Turkey truly balanced?
The stats spread on England* vs Turkey is innocuous enough. England* wins 55% of games which do not end in a draw, Turkey wins 45%. England is favored, but not to the extent that Turkey can't win; the game is not balanced, but it also isn't drastically skewed either way.

However, I have recently encountered an opening from England that I'm struggling to counter as Turkey.
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michael_b (999 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
Question: Adding Variant(s)
Please see reply.
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Anon (?? D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
Gunboat with me
Hey, if anyone is interested in playing a beginner gunboat with me (I suck at gunboat) holla at me for the password http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=32229
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Anon (?? D)
Tue 12 Sep UTC
"...tuesday" game sequel is out...
Pls play this WWII map...
Remember, only on Tuesdays!
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=32223
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michael_b (999 D)
Mon 11 Sep UTC
Strong British Position
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=31381
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The Ambassador (1596 D (B) (B))
Wed 06 Sep UTC
Online Dip Pet Peeves
We're introducing a new segment to the podcast. Have your say (more below)...
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Jamie_T (937 D)
16 Aug 17 UTC
Hello!
I have been banned from webDiplomacy because Zultar wants it to be a safe space for neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.

You nice people will have to put up with me instead (until I get banned here, I guess).
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TheatreVarus (999 D)
Sat 09 Sep UTC
Dueling
Looking for someone to play a few friendly duels on the Cold War map. Just picked the game back up and I want to get some practice in. Anyone interested can DM me.
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kaner406 (1524 D Mod (B) (B))
24 Sep 16 UTC
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I've been Boursed!!! 2016
Hi all, when Amby and I were recording our recent podcast (diplomacygames.com) the topic of Bourse came up, and I got really excited and thought that I would try to get another game of this variant running...
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The Ambassador (1596 D (B) (B))
02 Sep 16 UTC
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New podcast for online Dip games
Hi everyone

Kaner and I have started a podcast about playing Diplomacy online....
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d-ice (1517 D)
Wed 06 Sep UTC
Force drawn games
Games with fixed end year are (for ranking purposes) treated like solo victories for the power with the largest SC tally (even when PPSC scoring is used). Is that intentional? Not that I think it matters much to me, but I do find it rather odd, it would seem like the more logical approach would be that they are treated as force drawn, or possibly use affect ranking differently depending on scoring system used.
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kaner406 (1524 D Mod (B) (B))
12 Aug 17 UTC
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Update regarding vPoints/Rankings
See below:
kaner406 (1524 D Mod (B) (B))
12 Aug 17 UTC
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Hi all,

Due to the number of games that this site has hosted (as well as several cancelled games) the database has gotten rather creaky, and the original algorithm that was designed to work for keeping the vRanking system working was getting overloaded. As a number of players noted, ranking and vPoints were starting to get a little bit inaccurate.

Because of this we have had to reset the rating system, and everyone's ratings are now based on games ending after 1.1.16.

Devonian (1860 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
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Yikes! I lost a lot of points.

But I think it's probably a good idea to rank us on our more recent games anyway.
CCR (1649 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
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I understand this should be a temporary solution. The algorithm should be changed a bit. Instead of recalculating everything, the data could be consolidated after the end of every year, then the algorythm only calculate the latest games, but the rankings become permanent,
The ELO rankings are based on the chess rankings. This system is not intended to record recent games only. In its spirit is looking for the "real ranking" for each player, and alll the games should count. Thus the proposal:if the ratings of every player could be consolidated every year (a new "starting" value for each player, instead of 1000 for everyone), then wouldnt the algroythm be underloaded?
tassa (1859 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
holy fuck, seriously? i lost like 500 D
tassa (1859 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
vpoints that is
bluecthulhu (1804 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
I hope this gets fixed at some point.
Captainmeme (1496 D Mod (B))
12 Aug 17 UTC
Bear in mind that this change applies to everyone, not just you, so losing a large amount of points won't necessarily equate to a big drop in your ranking. Additionally, a number of players who had top spots but left the site (Cypeg is an example) have dropped out of the top 100 as a result, leaving it more open to active players.
bluecthulhu (1804 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
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Captainmeme - This was supposed to be a lifetime ranking. There are plenty of players with a longterm outlook who take a break and then come back. I had been working for years on my ranking only to see it get destroyed. I am not going to throw a tantrum or anything like that but this one move sucked away some of my competitive drive on this website unfortunately.
WTF? I've dropped from 30 something to 50 in the HOF. Screw this, I'm not buying Kaner any more drinks in the pub ever again.

(tongue in cheek)
CCR (1649 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
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Cpt. Meme argues that 1500v used to put you in top100, now if you're 1500v+ then you're top20. But it makes no sense keeping an ELO-based ranking for recent results only!

I say it again: it seems easy to fix. If the ratings data were consolidated after the end of every year (a new "starting" value for each existing player), then the algorythm only calculate from the latest games, but the ratings become permanent.
Oli (988 D Mod (P))
12 Aug 17 UTC
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@CCR I might change this. But it requires a bit more coding...
So expect some more changes in the next few weeks...
tantrumizer (1882 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
I will enjoy my temporary stay in the top 10 then. :-) Anyway, it is great to see progress on this and thanks to all who have worked on it.
Hirnsaege (2146 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
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I think both are interesting numbers actually ...
- a lifetime ELO rating like it used to be (that needs some event or timer based additive calculation though for long term, as found out).
- a "the last x year(s)" ranking that honours currently strong players ... (that would mean a constant re-calculation thought that could cause server load too, so maybe it could be a monthly updated statistic or so?)

transforming the ELO ranking directly to a cut-the-past-off ranking of course will cause frustration from a play theory perspective ... rewards taken away never feel good, even with good reason.

Knowing the complexity of such databases and scripts, we all should understand this takes some time though to fix.
Mapu (2312 D (B))
12 Aug 17 UTC
There goes 1000 D....
CCR (1649 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
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@Oli if you'll lean into coding, then why not take a closer look to this proposal:
The vranking regarding Replacement Policy should be improved; specially benefic to the whole community as general stimulous for replacing condemned powers.
The simple rule "in the case of a replacement player, he would NOT lower his rating based on that game -- it would remain unchanged."
Under the current system, good players who praise the ranking do not take over CD'ed powers, even with good sc count, if that power is in a bad tactical/diplomatic position!
RUFFHAUS 8 (2501 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
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Oli, why not just start over from scratch? This Matthew cat at the is never going to play again. He's going to rest on the one dubiously freakish 1,200 point win he got. No one will ever surpass that. The Elo ratings need a serious overhaul. Why not take a look at this and reset them from the beginning?
Devonian (1860 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
CCR, There are no condemned powers, only powers in very weak positions.

That being said, powers in very weak positions, have a very low expectation and are penalized less than a power that is in a strong position.

see page 2 of this thread, near the bottom where oli explains it:
http://vdiplomacy.com/forum.php?threadID=59573&page-thread=2#threadPager
CCR (1649 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
Devonian, somoene with 2000v pts would not join as replacement to get a 3-way dray, it would even worse their ratings, if among average players, or even a 4-way ina well rated game. And yes most CD's are condemned powers. I use to take over on webdip m and here too, and most times for elimination.

I have read through that thread and I found out that the replacement policy could be developed
I did find this: Forum - thread: VDiplomacy Points
at the second page of this thread, link here:
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/forum.php?threadID=59573&page-thread=2#threadPager
LogicCure asked about the replacement policy (post on 26 Feb 2015)
I read it through, specially Oli's 2nd reply to this, the post starting with "The takeover is rated depending on..."
I believe the vranking regarding Replacement Policy should be improved.
zurn (1198 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
Some people have mentioned the virtues of having a "recent-only ELO". Of course this would be disappointing to some. Maybe there needs to be an "all-time" list *and* a "recent" list? Always displayed side by side.

But maybe even better than a "recent" cutoff would be rating decay, as used in the Glicko system, which was developed as a replacement for Elo and addresses some of its supposed deficiencies. More about that here: https://www.chess.com/blog/kurtgodden/elo-to-glicko-your-rating-explained
300 D lost? Really? What the fuck!?
BobRoss (1683 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
Whilst I am probably one of the few players to see his vranking increase again (as I was one of the 'victims' of the bug that occurred a few weeks ago) and I am glad to be back in the hall of fame, I actually would like for at least the all time ranking to be back into place again. I am most certainly for my #20 position in this new hall of fame, but it most certainly does not reflect the great quality and skill of some players that have been around for a much longer time. They are much more interesting opponents for me than I am for them ;-)

In any case a thank you for trying to fix the vranking problem that has been around for a while now.

One question remains for me: Even though the ranking system has been updated to games 01-01-2016 and after, there is still one game i've played that seems to be extremely bugged regarding ranking:

http://vdiplomacy.com/hof.php?gameID=31368

I solo'd this Rinascimento game but got zero vranking points for the game. Neither did the losing and surviving players see a decrease in their ranking. Whilst revamping the ranking system in general is top priority, I hope that perhaps at some point this game specifically can also looked at.
Devonian (1860 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
CCR,


If a 2000v pts player ends in a 3 way draw, it would have been better for him if he entered as a replacement with a weak position than to start at the beginning. The vdip rating accounts for the poor starting position.

As far as takeovers being condemned, I agree that they are more likely to lose, but they are not condemned. I have come back from taking over 1 and 2 sc's to participating in a draw.

Besides, do you really think we have a problem with games that have been abandoned and not taken over. There are very few games available to be taken over. (only 1 game as of this writing) Our Reliability Rating corrects that problem; which is the more appropriate way to deal with it. If we give incentives on a "skill" rating, the skill rating of the player might be inappropriately manipulated.

Devonian (1860 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
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BobRoss,

http://vdiplomacy.com/forum.php?threadID=38097&page-thread=24#threadPager

Leif_Syverson (1079 D Mod)
New 14 Apr 2013
"Just FYI, Rinascimento is intentionally (whether agreed by all as good or bad) not included in the points system because of the perceived initial imbalance. Every outcome for this variant results in no net change in ranking."
BobRoss (1683 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
I had absolutely no knowledge of that, thanks for the clarification Devonian!


Devonian (1860 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
There are a lot of things that are not very clear about the rating. I wish there was a FAQ on it somewhere.
Oli (988 D Mod (P))
31 Aug 17 UTC
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New update.
vDip-ratings do work again and are back to "lifetime" status...
bluecthulhu (1804 D)
31 Aug 17 UTC
Hi Oli. A few weeks back, there was a problem with the game 'Furnace of Affliction' where all players were given 1 NMR and 1 CD. Could we have those penalties removed somehow?
Oli (988 D Mod (P))
31 Aug 17 UTC
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This is next on my toDo list...
Dr. Recommended (1204 D Mod (B))
31 Aug 17 UTC
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Oli, I know there was some variability in NMR/CD that players were tagged with, and there was a similar issue recently with a Greek game. For example, I have 1 CD and 3 or 4 NMRs on my record that are not real. In order to spare you being deluged with messages from 50 players seeking correction, what's the best way for affected players to handle this?
Oli (988 D Mod (P))
31 Aug 17 UTC
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First I will try to code something to fix this, than the mods will need to handle this... :-)
So be patient. I'm working on it, but it will take some time. I do no longer have much spare time with my brain working for such complicated things... :-) Family takes the best time of me, everybody else needs to be patient.. :-)
No worries Oli, thanks very much for addressing it.
tantrumizer (1882 D)
31 Aug 17 UTC
Thanks Olivia for the ratings fix. Well done.
tantrumizer (1882 D)
31 Aug 17 UTC
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Olivia?! This new phone... :-(
Sounds like you have your priorities right Oli ;-)
Samj (1347 D)
31 Aug 17 UTC
Too bad Olivia couldn't drop the scores for my abysmal performance in the tournaments.. Hehe I might still be in the top 100 then! Thanks for all you do to help keep us up to date and running smooth!
Samj, I sympathize. I've been in tournament freefall right there with you buddy!
Someone fixed the vPoints issue? I'm back up to 1400+ and the other top players are back up where the belong (Ruff is higher by me by 600+ points)


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jason4747 (931 D)
03 Sep 17 UTC
“Vietnam: Apocalypse Then” – new variant in development
I am working on a Diplomacy variant and am seeking opinions on the board and design. See below
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