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Jamie_T (895 D)
Mon 07 PM UTC
Notices
The notices on my front page are all jumbled up in a random order. PMs from weeks ago are at the top, and some of my game messages from the past day or two are lower down. Is anyone else noticing this?
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Enriador (1374 D)
Sun 02 AM UTC
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It's time to talk about Scoring
Hello all!

Let's talk about scoring? More specifically, about whether the dreaded Points Per Supply Center (PPSC) scoring should remain an option?
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JECE (1192 D)
Sat 02 PM UTC
Is there a new mobile website?
It looks great, but could I turn it off? I use a BlackBerry Passport, which has a nice big screen and doesn't need it.
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Enriador (1374 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC
Napoleonic Variant, and the lack of neutral centers
I had the honor to play 'Napoleonic' back in the lab (an awful game as Spain by the way). I had a question back then which I ask here and now:

Why there are no neutral supply centers?
Enriador (1374 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC
I ask from a design perspective. Besides perfectly symmetrical variants like Pure, I never saw it before. Without a full year of neutral grabbing to see how everyone moves, powers have to go at each other's necks from the get go. Lack of centers around the borders also make the early-mid game incredibly stagnant.

Given the sheer number of non-center provinces and low number of centers (proportional to number of powers) I wonder if an extra season of movement - Summer - wouldn't bring some extra fluidity to it.
Firehawk (1225 D (B))
09 Oct 17 UTC
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The idea was to make this more about the diplomacy side of the game: forcing players to talk, scheme and stab right from the start of the game. I figured it was something fresh that hadn't been done before. If it proves to be a total failure I'm open to ideas but give it a chance first :)
Enriador (1374 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC
It's actually a great idea @Firehawk. Curious on how it'll pan out over many games!
Enriador (1374 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC
Another question: we talked (in the test game) about changing the start date from 1800 to 1805 - which is slightly more historically accurate.
CCR (1759 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC
Why did Calhamer chose the starting year for 1901, even being it a World War I game?
Almost all players forget - or never knew - that diplomacy is not a war game. I explain: it is a game that simulates the political shifts before the war, not a game that simulates the actual war.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2501 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC
"Almost all players forget - or never knew - that diplomacy is not a war game. "

It might be all those armies and fleets conquering each other's cities that makes people think that.... The game simulates war. It's just meant to do so at an extremely simplistic scale. Not everyone plays like Chamberlain.
CCR (1759 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC
"Diplomacy is a game of negociations, alliances, promises kept and promises broken."
The game does not simulate the war itself in a simple way: it simulates the politics that make a war in a complex way.
This is why Calhamer chose the date of 1901, not only because it ends in "01" for "turn one". This is the same why Napoleonic can start in 1801. ;)
Flame (0 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC
Very rough and tight variant with no chance for a mistake.
Enriador (1374 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC
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@CCR

What's the source for your claim that Calhamer did it to simulate the early 20th century politics as a whole?

I believe he chose 1901 because it's way easier to count turns that way. But whatever the reason, the point here is about *historical accuracy*. 1901 fails at simulating fin-de-siecle politics a little since it is a 1913 map, but ok because, well, Classic is Classic.

But Napoleonic is an entirely different beast given that the author is right here among us, full holder of his creation's IP. You can still attempt to simulate the feeling of an era without railroading the experience to fit a specific war, AND have it start at a start date more in line with the geopolitical borders of the time.
CCR (1759 D)
10 Oct 17 UTC
If the WWI "variant" can begin in 1901, then why not a Napoleonic in 1801?? :-p

I always had it in my mind, from the very first rules of diplomacy I've ever read, page one: "The participants reproduce and modify the situations that preceded the First World War." Maybe i'm all wrong, for now I recognize this was not an avalon hill official (and this is my literal translation). I was very comfortable with this until today... now I'm pretty disappointed :^). I keep a copy of said rules, from my 1973 brazilian green box, which was sent to Simon Szykman's collection twenty years ago.
Snake IV (1167 D)
10 Oct 17 UTC
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Hey. Nice looking map. Testing how a game works without neutrals is an interesting idea, and I will be interested to hear what the experience is like.

I'd like to nitpick a bit though and point out that every province on the board has its name in English except for the Swedish provinces that have Swedish names. Appropiate English names would be Scania instead of Skåne and Lapland instead of Lappland. Dalarna often goes as Dalecarlia in English, and would certainly have been the name used in 1800. Since Helsinki goes as Helsingfors, which would probably have the English name at the time, I assume it's the name at the time that matters.


Now, as for a more important topic. What I see as the design challenge here is that removing neutrals makes few people have adjacent centres. Stabs must be able to pay of when you do them, and adjacent centres makes this possible. In standard the Turk will have an army in Bulgaria almost always without it being strange, and it can strike at both Russia, Austria and sometimes Italy without delay from there. When centres are not adjacent it's like every power has a France-Italy relation, where a surprise stab is not possible and defeating someone is only doable by brute force alone. Then why stab at all?

Also, Diplomacy is clearly a 1914 game, it just counts from 1901 to make counting easy. A 1805 game, or whatever year, can certainly use 1801 as the start year for counting.
Snake IV (1167 D)
10 Oct 17 UTC
P.S. The province of Novgorod does not actually include the city of Novgorod. An optional name could be Yaroslav.
Flame (0 D)
10 Oct 17 UTC
YaroslavL perhaps? But Novgorod is more solid
Firehawk (1225 D (B))
10 Oct 17 UTC
On the Swedish provinces, that actually was changed in the latest version on the lab. I don't know why this has reverted to the previous version.
G-Man (2397 D)
11 Oct 17 UTC
Crowded is a variant on Classic (available here on vDip) that eliminates the neutrals by creating four additional powers. It completely forces the issue of gameplanning and alliances from the get-go and has fantastic playability. So, it's nice to see a variant like Napoleonic pick up with this by making this a design feature. I look forward to playing this.
peterlund (1080 D)
12 Oct 17 UTC
So what? I do not see why it should not be "Skåne", "Lappland" and "Dalarna" as these are the original names for those provinces.
mouse (1858 D)
12 Oct 17 UTC
I think the point is consistency - if we're using Swedish rather than general English reference for Skåne, why are we not also using, say, Москва́ and İstanbul?
Flame (0 D)
12 Oct 17 UTC
Let's use Latin or Esperantto.... Don't worry Oli will be back provinces will be named correctly as in last revision
peterlund (1080 D)
12 Oct 17 UTC
I think it would be great to have "Москва́" on the map an since the interface does NOT REQUIRE TYPING, there is no real functional reason to Anglify everything.
peterlund (1080 D)
12 Oct 17 UTC
Modern websites USE UNICODE and utf-8 everywhere...
ScubaSteve (1176 D)
13 Oct 17 UTC
Its not unlike the crowded variant but with a shift of the new countries and some tweaking to balance things. I'm pretty excited to play one.
@Firehawk sorry for the off-topic.. I saw a small bug in the map, I hope I'm not saying something already said many times.
The isle of Menorca (east island in the Baleary) changes color with the territory of London changes ownership.
kaner406 (1479 D Mod (B) (B))
05:25 AM UTC
Hey, welcome back Tadar!


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The Ambassador (1634 D (B) (B))
20 Mar 17 UTC
Fixing the Pirates variant
With the new Lab up and running, as discussed in the DiplomacyGames podcast I'm keen to iron out the bugs in Pirates that people hate...
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GOD (1786 D Mod (B))
23 Sep 17 UTC
Balkans 1860 variant
Is it just me, or is Italy way too overpowered?
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Sengoku Nagashino Feedback Thread
Hi Sengoku Nagashino players - please deposit your thoughts here for designer digestion as the first round of games resolves.

Please do not directly comment on the situation/players etc. of any active games. Please limit your comments to the variant design itself, as it appears at gamestart. Once a game has completed, it is fair game for analysis, but not before please.
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jason4747 (919 D)
Mon 12 AM UTC
"Biggest Game of All Time Completed"- worth a look
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=205586
By the nice people at WebDip.
Pot: 31,500  - Spring, 1918, Finished - Germany dominates at 17
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BenjaminHester (1015 D)
11 Aug 17 UTC
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obsolete Sengoku variant
Hi all, designer of Sengoku here. I would love to get the latest version of Sengoku in use on this system, as it is much more balanced. Found here: http://dipwiki.com/index.php?title=Sengoku
Even if the DP system, can't be used, the version at http://nairenvorbeck.angelfire.com/ is still better than the one in use currently. Poor Mori needs a fair chance :-) Anyone willing/able to help me get these implemented?
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Devonian (1872 D)
29 Jun 15 UTC
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1v1 Tournament Rules, Rankings, and Challenges
Official Rules for 1v1 Ladder Tournament
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butterhead (975 D)
21 May 12 UTC
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Advertise your NON-live games here!
In an effort to compromise the pro-ads versus anti-ads for games: Post here for your non-live games to cut down on the number of ads but still advertise games. Post game link, WTA or PPSC, and the bet. Note: this doesn't count for special rules games.
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The Real Wheat (0 D)
Thu 16 Nov UTC
New Maps
I'm super new to the site and I was curious how new maps were made and/or submitted. I noticed a lot of the maps look a bit old and it got me thinking about what it would take to create a higher resolution version of a game map. Are there certain file formats a map must be in or is this all a responsibility for site admins only? Thanks!
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Major Problems (1138 D)
Fri 17 Nov UTC
Imperium Diplomacy
Under the variants, I noticed one called Imperium Diplomacy, but was not able to create a game using this variant. Is it a discontinued variant, or under a different name? It looks like an interesting one, especially the beginning turns.
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nopunin10did (1011 D)
30 May 17 UTC
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1900 for vDip: Progress Report (ongoing)
As mentioned in another thread, I've been working on the code and assets necessary to port Baron M. Powell's variant 1900 to vDip and/or webDip.

In order to keep myself accountable in some fashion to actually complete this task, and not just talk about it, I've created a small project plan where I can mark my progress.
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DemonOverlord (910 D)
07 Oct 17 UTC
Vdip colour scheme
Hi, I think vdip would be more successful with a different colour scheme. Also less painful to look at.
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The Ambassador (1634 D (B) (B))
27 Oct 17 UTC
1066 Tournament
As discussed in episode 23 of the Diplomacy Games podcast I'm thinking of putting together a 1066 tournament. Interested takers?
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rebecca02 (1000 D X)
Wed 15 Nov UTC
locks of hair
Beautiful.
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gman314 (1016 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
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Winning
Oli won.
On Imperial Civilization's off-topic thread (link inside), there was a brief stint of Second to Last Person to Post Wins. Now that the thread is closed, Oli won.
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BobRoss (1761 D)
31 Aug 17 UTC
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Variant Tournaments Results & Ranking
As the Variant Tournament thread was getting clogged i thought it'd be a good idea to separate the organisational and ranking part.
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JECE (1192 D)
Fri 10 Nov UTC
Custom phase bug
This might be better in the Mods section, but I thouht I'd post here first to see if other users have any input.

I'm trying to create a new game with a custom phase length. When I select "Custom" from the drop-down menu, nothing happens. However, when I select "2 days, 2 hours", I've given the option to input a phase length. Hopefully this is an easy fix.
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KingCyrus (1669 D)
01 Nov 17 UTC
WWII Update Errors
Hello, I am currently in a game of WWII and I was just informed that it has been updated, "fixing" problems with dual coasts. This supposedly means that Palestine now has two coasts. However, I have a fleet in the Red Sea and it can no longer move to Palestine! Please fix?
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RUFFHAUS 8 (2501 D)
20 Oct 17 UTC
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Replacement Player(s) Needed
I need replacement players game sitters for several games:
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The Ambassador (1634 D (B) (B))
02 Sep 16 UTC
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New podcast for online Dip games
Hi everyone

Kaner and I have started a podcast about playing Diplomacy online....
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peterlund (1080 D)
30 Sep 17 UTC
I have reported 2 Issues for vdiplomacy to kestasjk/webDiplomacy
Bug 1: "Turn limited vDip games should end after possible retreats" (Issue 261)

Bug/Questions 2; "How does vDip decide who the winner is?" (Issue 262)
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BenjaminHester (1015 D)
25 Oct 17 UTC
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not quite ready, but... SE Asia 800
going to refine Balkans 1860 and Sengoku: Nagashino as needed before trying to implement this one. Thought I would just give y'all a peek behind the curtain. Thoughts welcome! (it has a few known imbalances to address, but it's close.)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2CiokzfWGBhTlU0QTZZNzNrUEU
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Jamie_T (895 D)
04 Oct 17 UTC
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MAFIA 1 - GAME THREAD
This is the game thread for vDip Mafia, Episode 1

Please DO NOT post in this thread if you are not playing in the Mafia game.
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Flame (0 D)
23 Oct 17 UTC
Austrian question once again!
Please help with testing a map "War of Austrian Succession"
http://lab.diplomail.ru/board.php?gameID=51

Fast gunboat.
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Flame (0 D)
05 Oct 17 UTC
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Classic 1898 Variant adaptation
I do the adaptation for 1898 variant. Who knows the author of the variant to mention him in the description. Or it's Hasbro itself?

http://lab.diplomail.ru/board.php?gameID=43
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Tactics
In year one when you just meeting everyone, maybe there anonymous but for sure you don't know any of them. How do you know who to trust?
They can be lying through their teeth and text doesn't show tone of voice or eye contact so you have no idea. If you believe them they may stab you. If you don't you venture into a DMZ and piss them off. Ask around to others and you get rumors or nothing. This game seems so much better suited to face to face.
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Known World Tournament
Awhile back, kaner proposed a Known World gunboat tournament in which 15 participants would play 15 games, one with each nation. I searched back for the thread, then just decided to start a new one. I want to see if there would be sufficient interest in this to try to get it off the ground.
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