Is this gunboat? I thought it was normal?

it says in the first line at least

Amby, you in for 3-5 at once if gunboat? Are you in at all if gunboat?

I like the idea of 1 day turns, but as a suggestion could we consider 2 day turns with a gentleman's agreement to ready up orders when you don't need the entire turn duration, specifically for retreats and builds. This would assist me greatly as weekend for me can be extremely taxing. Given the player roster so far, I think that we could trust everyone to cooperate and not abuse the agreement.

What RUFFHAUS said. I'll need 2-day phases at times but can usually ready within one.

Ditto,

2 day phases prevent NMR's for me, but most of the time I can ready up.

1) Dr. Rec
2) Argentinean Empire
3) kaner406
4) Leif_Syverson
5) bozo
6) The Ambassador
7) Ruffhaus 8
8) mapu
9) Eki83
10) Ashaka
11) Hirnsaege
12)
13)
14)
15)

I'll join. 2-day phases are great, but in a few weeks I'll need an extend.

So, I've identified what the optimal seed order result should look like, but I've not quite achieved that in my hand trial arrangements.

Assuming each nation has 4-7 neighbors, it is theoretically possible to get the result to have no player with less than 4 of the same neighbors through the game, and no more than 7 of the same neighbors through the game. The average would be 5 times to have a given player be your neighbor, in other words 1/3 of the tournament.

This order is not quite optimal but it is closer than anything else I've tried (and I've only had time to play with this by hand, not to code anything up):

1 Germany
2 Turan
3 Khazaria
4 Denmark
5 Egypt
6 China
7 Arabia
8 France
9 Byzantium
10 Spain
11 India
12 Srivijaya
13 Axum
14 Wagadu
15 Russia

In this seeding order, no player has another player as a neighbor more than 7 times (6 players have this), and no player has another player as a neighbor less than 3 times (4 players have this). The remaining 5 players have the same neighbor 4 times.

Fairly even if we want to just go with it, but I might try to tweak it some still.

Thoughts?

Ok, I agree to no more than 3 simultaneous games provided they're gunboat. I'm in.

3 spots left...

1) Dr. Rec
2) Argentinean Empire
3) kaner406
4) Leif_Syverson
5) bozo
6) The Ambassador
7) Ruffhaus 8
8) mapu
9) Eki83
10) Ashaka
11) Hirnsaege
12) DogsRule11
13)
14)
15)

Leif, thank you for taking the time to form and present that. I admit that it's late here and I'm not thinking it through very deeply at the moment, but upon first read it looks good.

Amby, I'll consider that a deal, pending consensus.

DogsRule, can you be more specific about the time parameters of that extend?

I imagine it won't be long before we have enough players to begin, so we'll soon want to finalize the tournament parameters. I want to say that I'm very pleased with the roster that is forming. There have been times over the past year or so where I wondered whether vDip was wilting. I'm glad to see some old friends and adversaries here after not crossing paths with you for a while. Several of you are very integral to the culture, function, consistency, and quality of this site, and I would assert that the same applies in some degree to the game and hobby itself. I'm looking forward to this.

Now, it also must be mentioned that a few of you are relatively -- or extremely, as a case may be -- new to the site. I know that this says nothing about your skills and reliability. It says nothing about your experience with the game, via keyboard or cardboard. It only tells us what we already know, which is that we don't know. We were all new to the site once. Welcome. I know I can speak for many in saying that reliability will be highly valued over the course of these games. You'll find NMRs on nearly everybody's record, because shit happens to all of us. But please - understand the commitment that people are making in joining such a string of games, and only join if you are confident in your ability to follow through.

Last order of business, I'll be scarce over the next week while I travel, party, feast, and play music, then host family from out of town. I'll check in as I can, but you probably won't have to read my forum novellas for awhile :)

I would much prefer PPSC or unrated. WTA—especially in Known World—is frustrating and annoying.

Count me in

I'd be up for playing if there were still available slots...

From a simple count it looks like there should be, Utom - my sign up here should be the 15th and last required.

1) Dr. Rec
2) Argentinean Empire
3) kaner406
4) Leif_Syverson
5) bozo
6) The Ambassador
7) Ruffhaus 8
8) mapu
9) Eki83
10) Ashaka
11) Hirnsaege
12) DogsRule11
13) coxbot
14) utom
15) mouse


As for the scoring, I lean towards the games being unrated but a tournament score being kept using the SoS system outlined above, say a nominal 150 tourney points per game...

I with those backing SoS tourney score and unrated.

Cool with SoS tourney score. I'd personally prefer a small rating to keep it interesting, but nothing outlandish. Say 10 or something. But if everyone's wanting unrated I'll go with the flow.

It appears that we need more discussion on the scoring here as things are evolving distinctly different camps with more than one item at issue. As I see it kaner has suggested that this event (known World tournament) be used to experiment with the SoS scoring method used with popularity and good results elsewhere. This system would *only* be used to determine the winner of the tournament, since the VDip ratings systems do not take it into account. This means that the winner of the tournament would be the one with the most SoS points, bot the most Vip points from the games. I am going to do my best to ignore the temptation to get into the WTA/PPSC debate here. The abject failure of the common VDip player to understand the mechanics and consequences of the PPSC game is a big reason that I stopped playing games here. I'm seeing that argument here in this thread devolving and I do not want to side track the event with a debate. I'll have that debate all day long in another thread. Unrated games are by default WTA. There are no points to be divided and scored for posterity. There are no ratings to be effected by your play. You can simply play and have fin, and if we're gonna play 3 games at a time, maybe it's a good idea to go non rated. If you miss a day or two with a work/school emergence you could have three games ruined, and trash your rating overnight. Likewise you could fall into unemployment and have 14 hours a date to analyse the tactics, and kick everyone's ass, thus vaulting yourself into 10-12 victories in a month or two. I think all tournaments should be unrated, so that they can focus on the game and not the points. Sorry to be a spoil sport, but my involvement is predicated on using WTA games. If the majority wants PPSC, I'll drop out. No debate.

WTA / unrated with SoS tourney scoring is the proposal I believe most of us are interested in, I've only seen one objection to WTA in past posts, and no objections to unrated. There are at least 4 strong objections to PPSC, so I think that WTA or unrated are our choices here.

WTA, SOS and unrated works for me. I'd prefer to play 3-5 games at a time instead of the full 15, but I'll go with whatever the majority wants.

Getting excited for this!

3 games at a time seems to be the limit for several people now, I think at least 4.

to clarify, I believe at least 4 people have that as a condition to participate..

WTA and 3-5 simultaneous games.

Agree with SoS for the overall winner. Would significantly prefer each map unrated, since PPSC is apparently a veto condition for quite a few people.

Good with 2 days (ready earlier) and 3 simultaneous games.

Personally I prefer WTA over Unrated, and Unrated over PPSC. Life Ruffhaus has said getting into the WTA vs PPSC debate here will simply derail the chances of this tournament ever getting started, therefore Unrated scoring with the SoS system for the tournament itself seems like a logical compromise.

Actually, I re-read the SoS system. I'd only support it for games that actually have results, and would be pushing for draws to be evenly split amongst survivors. Which seems entirely counter to the planned implementation.

Given we're likely to have roughly 10 draws and 5 wins over the span of the tourney, draw split is more important than win split, so my vote would be for Unrated games, with a WTA overall scoreboard.

I have a 4 game restriction, but would just take over some abandoned countries to up that if need be. But 3 seems to be a good number to keep everyone engaged and not overwhelmed.