My understanding is that the base code allows for only 2 kinds of units.

Several people have mentioned Song of Fire and Ice (Game of Thrones). Is this in the works? What all would such a game need? Would The Riverlands have to be neutral in the interest of fairness? Would Essos exist? Would The Eyrie be made literally impregnable (attackable from only one direction)? Would Storm's End have some similar arrangement?

IMO, the Eyrie can be unexpugnable without making it unfair: it's just 1 SC and you can control SeagullPort, The Fingers, and everithing around it without further problems. Storm's end can be taken if attacked by sea + land. The riverlands won't necesarily have to be neutral, there are several games with a central power, similar to germany in classic. About Essos, it depends on how much you want to expand the map, but theoretically you can take it as fas as Asshai.

PS: i don't have a clue of what "the works" are, if you can enlighten me... And also, if wanted, i can make the map and that, but i don't know how to code (i can be taught to, however)

Germany 1648 or whatever its called has 3 units, in a addition to the army's there are knights which have double the movement but can't capture supply centers.
I am sure multiple units can be programmed in, it is just difficult to do so...

Fasces, that's two.

-Stukus

germany has 2 the knights replace the fleets...

Copypasate from the variants description:

"The noble families cannot display any fleet; nevertheless, besides their loyal men-at-arms, they can rely on a powerful war weapon: the cavalry"

So it makes sense with what gopher says. However, Oli surely can solve this doubt

PS: also, knights can capture SC's, as long as those SC's are regular SC's and not free cities (they don't appear to like nobles)

I had an idea similar to that. But with a Earth Map which then links to a "Space Colonies" Map and have a two board battle on Earth and in Space. Meh, no idea where I put that map now

As Oli often said, there can only be two types of units. with some dirty tricks one can put 'exceptions', as the standing army in Benevento in the Rinascimento variant or the flagships in the Lepanto.

if someone is interested in a manual explaining how to develop a new variant, PM me your mail and I send it to you

airborne, that would be similar to the "underground" in haven, right? just above instead of below, but the same idea, two paralel surfaces connected transversaly, right?

Tadar, in the manual there describes the "dirty tricks"?

@Daiichi: There is no real manual.
We tried to put something together, but time is very limited at the moment.

You need to know PHP and a bit of javascript to develop rule-changes.
You can download all the variants we have here: http://www.vdiplomacy.com/download.php
You can download the webdip code here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpdiplomacy

With some work (I had no clue about PHP 2 years ago and have no programming background, but I can use google :-) you can figure out how this all works.

quoting Tadar: "if someone is interested in a manual explaining how to develop a new variant, PM me your mail and I send it to you"

I can use google also, and i will maybe do it during summer, but if there's a shortcut, it would be welcome, since i'm very close to mi finals now

what about Lepanto? galley, flagship, frigate.
I just served someone, not sure who though..

galley=army
frigate=fleet
flagship=fleet without a move command (and you can't build frigates or flagships) also the game use the terrID to make a distinction between flagship and frigates.
You might check the code on your own first. I do not say it's impossible, but it's out of my knowledge (I'm not a PHP or javascript expert). But you might try on your own, or ask a friend that has some PHP skills.

darn, counter served

Um this whole forum seemed to have gone of track but i was saying space

Yeah same as Haven a bit more interaction between the two halves but, yeah the same concept

@Daiichi, The Riverlands are different than "Germany" or "Austria" in that The North and Vale of Arryn cannot go around it. Anyone who drew The Reiverlands would be dead in a matter of turns. I strongly advocate for fleets over cavalry as The Iron Islands facing a nearly wide open coast line seems to me to be most interesting to possibly play. I think it would be interesting for The Eyrie to be impregnable but easily bottled up would be interesting. Say have the standard "thick" black border on three sides with only one way in and out. I suggest a Roma rule for King's Landing like in Renaissance. Perhaps the Kingsroad and the Eastroad should allow double time movement.

I'd expect the opening dynamics of the game to be: The North rushes to secure The Neck and The Twins, which should be garrisoned; The Vale of Arryn moves to secure the Trident and the intersection of the roads; The Westlands would rush for Riverrun.

Should the Dragonstone be in possession of the Stormlands or should all of the area around King's Landing start off neutral?

for reference:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QNgFA7OlZJ0/TaZVCUi6IcI/AAAAAAAABd0/Ol8vuzkGHxs/s1600/Map_Westeros_Political.gif

@Daiichi, The Riverlands are different than "Germany" or "Austria" in that The North and Vale of Arryn cannot go around it. Anyone who drew The Reiverlands would be dead in a matter of turns.

Fleets are better.

And...I suggest that if you gave Vale of Arryn 2 fleets and 1 army to start with, and the North 2 fleets 2 armies, the Riverlands would become viable.

And regarding the Space variant...what about this:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1456/gmapnewujca8.jpg

Star wars ftw. Suggest 2 units, a sort of landing ship and a transport ship...army and fleet respectively, someone got to mention a better name though.
Either the Clone Wars era...a core Coruscant force, with regional powers and of course our favourite Separatist factions.
Or right after the fall of the Empire...

I don't think that either The North or The Vale is a naval power. If you have to change the nature of the power to make another viable, then I think that speaks to the problem.

But if you delete a power, which was apparently equal in power to the other houses, and make it neutral, it is equally 'changing the nature of the power'.

Yuuzhan Vong invasion!

But in the story that power is pretty much just a vassal of The North and the traditional battlefield for everyone else.

Maybe standing armies there then?

For a clone wars variant two other powers that could work other than. The obvious republic and confederacy would be the hutt cartel and corporate sector authority

So what is the powers in the the space variant?

If we go by Star Wars, at least there is the Republic, the Separatists, and some more, maybe as Soundwave suggested.

IMO, the north can get to the Vale without having to get throug the riverlands. Also, the Vale can get down to the King's Landing area via Saltpans, a neutral SC. And eventhough the north is not naval, the Vale can have 1 fleet at least (Gull Town). Similarly, the lannisters have acces to the Reach and the Iron Islands, not only to the riverlands.
I'll have to think about the equilibrium of powers, but i'll do it, and expect to have it done by June 20th (mark my words, all you Song of Fire & Ice fans)

Love the idea of a Star Wars variant. Do you think George would notice?

i think we have to separate topics, so i'll let you have this for space variant and i'll take my Game of Thrones varianto to a new topic.

So star wars....any ideas?

I don't know, the Star Wars universe is kinda hard to pin down the location of planets or stars. Maybe like a planet and the surrounding space can be a section of the map and link all the sections with hyperdrive lanes.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090903054824/starwars/images/d/d2/MainGalaxy.jpg
A detailed map of the galaxy but, too small to see some names

Well it could be done like they did Star Wars Risk with only certian planets.

TABOO! we never, ever, EVER compare diplomacy to risk! not even in describing a map variant! shame on you! :P

This website has a heap of StarWars maps:

http://starwarsatlas.uw.hu/thelist.htm

Try using a Masters of Orion map that would probably serve your purposes well. Take a look at this one- http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.freeorion.org/images/thumb/8/82/Galaxy_Map_AIs_SVN3100.png/800px-Galaxy_Map_AIs_SVN3100.png&imgrefurl=http://softwaresanta.com/smf/index.php%3Ftopic%3 1910.0&usg=__5gAK0-VwOkmZG94bIu8pSZuXF5M=&h=500&w=800&sz=354&hl=en&start=0&sig2=aQU8oTjiOqg67KX2L4atKg&zoom=0&tbnid=k9Ac0NP2ZI05eM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=143&ei=l_HWTdajH4H2swPovY2xBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMasters%2Bof%2BOrion%2Bmaps%26um%3 1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3 1C1AVSX_enUS400US400%26biw%3 1024%26bih%3 673%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=680&vpy=274&dur=5&hovh=89&hovw=143&tx=82&ty=68&sqi=2&page=1&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0

Okay, that didn't work but anyway just take a look at the Masters of Orion maps and you could make one like that.

http://www.freeorion.org/images/thumb/8/82/Galaxy_Map_AIs_SVN3100.png/800px-Galaxy_Map_AIs_SVN3100.png

A map like the one with the clone wars in full swing like at the site kaner posted could work. It would allow the Chiss Asendency and Hutt Cartel to work though Geonosis would have to be setteled as to weather it is already republic occupied, or with the seperatists.

I knew it - this site is infested with Star Wars geeks :p

No shocker there